What happened?
I was rudely accosted, assaulted with battery, and tased at Minneapolis St Paul USA international airport by Airport Police, simply for choosing to leave the airport by bicycle. I had broken no laws. I use a bicycle as a significant part of my daily mode of travel. I have legally cycled to and from airports internationally including 3 of the 4 major London airports, with no problems. I was using my bicycle completely in accord with MN Statutes and Metropolitan Airport Commission Ordinances.
When did this happen?
Sept 7 2006, approx 6:10pm
Where did this happen?
On the Outbound Roadway (also called Glumack Drive), just east of the post office and west of the highway.
Who would have witnessed it?
Many people. It was full daylight, and in view of the "A" concourse. Anyone leaving the airport would have passed the scene of the incident. The extensive 800+ CCTV video camera system at the airport, fully updated since 9-11, must have recorded everything, and with multiple viewpoints.
What are the details?
I arrived on a flight from California, retrieved my folding bike and left Lindbergh Terminal. Legally riding on Outbound Road (same as Glumack Dr) a squad car pulled up alongside. The speed limit along the road is initially 15mph, eventually becoming 30mph (the same as residential Minneapolis). The Officer in the passenger seat began yelling at me ('what are you doing?' 'Get off the road' 'You're blocking traffic' etc) It was indistinguishable from what regular cyclists occasionally experience as road rage. I was not stopped in a normal way with siren and/or flashing lights for any kind of violation, but was being distractedly yelled at while traveling down the road. I slowed and pulled to the curb. The commanding officer jumped out and told me to get up 'on' the curb, or I would be maced and tased. I respectfully but very firmly protested the way I was being treated. I specifically said that I was happy to abide by whatever laws applied to the situation, but I did not have any idea why I was even stopped or what law I had broken. I was told 'you can't ride here'. I said that I knew of no signs, and asked where it was posted. I was vaguely told that there was a sign prohibiting bikes "back there", with a general wave in the direction of the Lindbergh terminal (there were in fact no such signs). When asked for the specifics, I was told 'I'm telling you you can't ride here' and was again threatened with mace and taser. At no time did I raise my voice, use profanity, or make any threatening gestures. I simply stood for my civil rights and asked questions. Twice, I specifically had to tell Officer Wingate, the commanding officer, that he was being rude to me. I did not acquiesce to the mistreatment. I asked questions regarding the legitimacy of my having been stopped at all. I asked to speak to Officer Wingate's supervisor. I questioned the overall tone of the interview for its belligerence. In spite of having done nothing other than speak out, I was threatened again with mace and taser. I was given a series of contradictory, unlawful, and increasingly unsafe and punitive orders clearly designed just to intimidate and humiliate, including being told " you're going to walk your bike back to the terminal and take public transit"- this, against lanes of oncoming traffic with no sidewalks, no pedestrians allowed, and dangerous blind, walled curves. When I protested the safety and legality of this I was bluntly told to get on my knees. When told I was 'wasting their time' I agreed that it was a waste of time for all of us. I actually wished them a good evening, 'hoping the rest of it goes better than this has gone', and noted that I was not being cited for any violation. I said I would take the side road as earlier ordered by Officer Wingate (the safest and most reasonable of the several contradictory orders given to me, though one-way going the wrong way), and took the initiative in closing what was an altogether illegitimate stop and interview. Officer Wingate's anger at this and perhaps embarrassment and sense of not having been able, through threats of violence, to force the upper hand in the situation then led to a series of spontaneous actions on his part that were an egregious escalation of police force and a clear violation of my person.
And then?
Immediately as I was leaving and without any warning whatsoever I was thrown off my bicycle onto the pavement. I sustained abrasion wounds to chin and arm. My helmet casing sustained a new crack, but otherwise prevented a direct blow to my head. My glasses were thrown off by the force of the impact and bounced several feet away. Officer Wingate moments later would smash them into the pavement with his boot. But first, I was jerked into an upright position, and Officer Wingate jumped to the side and ordered me tased by his officer in training. This, too, happened immediately and without any warning or choice whatsoever. I was then handcuffed, body searched, and luggage searched. Three additional squad cars soon arrived, including Officer Wingate's supervisor. However, my conversation with Sergeant Karsnia was abruptly cut short on the grounds that I had allegedly 'tried to take a swing' at Officer Wingate. I was handcuffed and transferred to Hennepin County Hospital, then to Hennepin County jail where I was held without charges and without bail.
What about the taser?
The gun shoots two darts into the body, penetrating up to 1/2 inch. It applies five seconds of 50,000 volts that attacks the central nervous system. One falls without muscular control, thus I struck the pavement for a second time without being able to check my fall. The pain is by all accounts excruciating. The use of this weapon can only be considered barbaric. Note that it is not considered by the police to be a non-lethal weapon. It is considered a less-lethal weapon because hundreds of deaths worldwide have been attributed to its use (see Amnesty International's statistics). A pre-existing medical condition could lead to death. Officer Wingate could not have had any knowledge of my medical history, yet risked the use of the weapon on me. To use this weapon for convenience and/or forced compliance in non-threatening situations is an astonishing abuse of authority, and is also specifically against the MN police policy for escalation of force. To use it simply out of anger is clear police brutality.
In your view, what factors caused the conflict?
There are probably many combined factors. It must be understood that from the onset that I was treated disrespectfully and as a second class citizen. My presence on the road, though absolutely legal, must have been an annoyance to Officer Wingate. I was clearly profiled simply for being a cyclist, a clear violation of civil rights. Officer Wingate, the officer primarily responsible for the incident, was comparatively inexperienced in years having taken his oath of office less than 2 3/4 years before. Officer Bryant (who played only a minor role in the incident, but was made to write the bulk of the police narratives) had taken his oath of office only 2 1/2 weeks before. Officer Wingate seemed to me to be demonstrating his prowess to the younger officer-in-training. I felt that I was being used as educational fodder- perhaps in how to intimidate and take quick control of a 'suspicious' person through threats of mace and taser. Also, perhaps to 'teach a lesson' and discourage travel by bicycle using the weight and threat of police authority.
As another factor, and as most air travelers can attest, the U.S. homeland security color-coded alert system has only created an absurd mania at airports with no specific or tangible benefits.
Despite many excellent officers doing difficult and taxing work, some officers and/or departments may feel a certain entitlement to take matters into their own hands, above and beyond the law. A possible example with the same MSP Airport police department just a few months before my incident:
70 year old Paul Casperson in the summer of 2006 recovered his bicycle, cut to pieces, from MSP Airport Police. There was no explanation given. As Mr. Casperson said in a Star Tribune interview 'Some people don't like bicycles or the people who ride them'.
MSP airport workers who are cyclists have also experienced harassment by MSP Airport Police.
Overall, I question what conversations have occurred within Airport Police to lead to such vindictive actions.
What does this case mean for civil rights and protections provided by the Bill of Rights?
Many, many things.
It is a matter of unfair profiling and discrimination of cyclists.
It has to do with the fair treatment of innocent civilians who have posed no threat. (By law, an officer must have probable cause to stop a person and detain them.)
It has to do with certain officers feeling entitled to take the law into their own hands, to create laws on the spot, and to introduce an unlawful escalation of force where none is warranted. Even worse, it has to do with the precedent of certain police departments supporting and concealing police misconduct using the criminal court system against innocent people.
It has to do with the Constitutional right to free unrestricted passage and equally easy access given to those who choose to travel by bicycle. (Are auto drivers stopped for driving under the speed limit? Or for causing traffic?)
Although I have no criminal history, I was put in jail without charges and without bail. I was ordered held without bail specifically "to prevent further criminal conduct". Bill Gates could not have written a check to get me out of jail.
The police narratives are clearly concocted. Review of the video evidence by Airport Police supervisors would show that there was no struggle or physical threat to the officers at any time.
I can also say from experience that the entire jail circumstance is one designed to intimidate and demean the individual human being. Circumstances within jail can easily impact one's morale. My booking into Hennepin County Jail itself took over eight hours, no doubt to assure that I would be held the maximum legal length of time.
How could this happen?
If this survives the test of law, it would be one case that justifies the mistreatment of anyone, simply for speaking out for their rights or disagreeing with a police officer.
I question the education of officers, a curriculum which takes very few months beyond an undergraduate degree, if even that.
I question the wisdom of MSP Airport Police Deptartment management in having a comparatively inexperienced officer training a new recruit.
I question overall, the preponderance of violence and the tacit acceptance of it in so many aspects of our society.
What are the charges?
It took the prosecution over a month to decide charges against me:
COUNT 1 Gross Misdemeanor, 'Obstructing Legal Process' by force or violence or threat thereof, maximum 1 year in prison
COUNT 2 'Obstrucing Legal Process' misdemeanor
COUNT 3 'Failure to comply with a lawful order', misdemeanor
COUNT 4, 'riding a bicycle opposite adjacent vehicle traffic', misdemeanor
COUNT 5, 'failure to obey official traffic control signal', misdemeanor
COUNT 6, 'Failure to travel in correct direction on one-way roadway', misdemeanor
None of the charges are true. An absurd case is being framed against me.
ALSO NOTE: none of the charges are for 'fleeing' or for taking the initiative in ending the interview. This was absolutely legal given my circumstances. Yet, the violent acts were apparently done to me because of this.
What is the photographic evidence against you?
This is also absurd and shows that Airport Police do not know, or are choosing not to acknowledge, the legal difference between a cyclist and a pedestrian. There are (9) police photographs total, taken the evening of the incident. Seven of the photos feature 'NO PED XING' signs. Needless to say, I was not a pedestrian. I was a cyclist. I was no more a pedestrian than the drivers of cars were pedestrians. MN Statutes 169.01 clearly defines a bicycle as a vehicle, and a pedestrian as someone afoot or in a wheelchair.
The remaining two photos are of an 'AUTHORIZED VEHICLES ONLY' sign, buried in the middle of the airport at the transit hub, and not even visible from the Outbound road. All (9) sign photographs by the police are completely irrelevant to a cyclist leaving Lindbergh terminal. It is astonishing to me that in 8 months this case has not yet been dismissed simply for the absurdity of the evidence and the lack of probable cause.
What are the police claiming?
That I "struggled" while tased, that I "forcefully shrugged my shoulders", that I was 'resistent',
that I prevented a "take-down maneuver" by a trained officer. For the record, I weigh less than 140 pounds.
What motive is there for the police to frame a case against you?
Because of the unlawful violations against my person they must be concerned of a backlash civil rights lawsuit.
It is an embarrassing case for Airport Police because of the many absurdities in narrative and evidence, and the transgressions of officer behavoir. They will fight for a conviction of any kind rather than see this proceed further.
What about the video evidence?
Airport Police, in control of the CCTV system, have notified the prosecution that all video footage was ‘written over’ because I didn’t show up on any of it. Yet there is a margin note on the video request page 27 to ‘Burn 1800-1835’, representing the full time of the incident with substantial margins on either side (the entire incident only took 18 minutes by police records, from initial stop to leaving by ambulance.)
If evidence has been destroyed, I consider this a deliberate destruction of evidence.
Assuming a DVD was burned as ordered by Sergeant Karsnia #11, it must exist somewhere.
If an incident of this seriousness occurred, why would video evidence not be saved? If police allegations are true, it could only assist in the prosecution of a crime. For lawsuits it could only help protect officers from claims of mistreatment.
RE: requests for video footage, Airport Police have responded via the prosecution that:
"While the cameras at the airport record the outbound roadway, they do not record the periphery of that roadway such that none of the incident wherein Mr Orsak rode his bike or engaged in interactions with the officers was recorded. As a result, there was never any footage constituting evidence of the incident in the possession of the MSP Police Dept. As a result, the footage from that date and time, which did not contain evidence of the incident, was not saved but rather written over pursuant to the routine policies and procedures of the Metropolitan Airport Commission."
Is this plausible?
Note: The CCTV surveillance system was substantially upgraded after 9-11. Over 800 cameras of sophisticated pan/tilt/zoom technology are in daily use at MSP International Airport.
What about the new signs?
Four months after the incident, around Jan 5 2007, Airport Police, without the knowledge of the Metropolitan Airport Commission, installed (4) new signs prohibiting bicycles. I have extensive before/after photo and video documentation of this.
Tell us more about yourself-
I frequently use a folding Brompton bicycle in conjunction with air travel. I try at least to make my ground transport environmentally sensitive. On the day of this incident I was looking forward to getting off the plane, retrieving my bike, and taking a late afternoon ride through Fort Snelling state park on the way to see my granddaughter and family in St Paul.
Professionally I am currently a violinist playing principal with the Minnesota Opera and have performed for 30+ years in many independent projects. Vocationally I am also a dedicated visual artist and researcher. In the Twin Cities I have played with both the Minnesota Orchestra and the St Paul Chamber Orchestra and have collaborated with colleagues in many concerts with the self-directed chamber orchestra Philomusica. I have been a teacher to many hundreds of students here and abroad, and in Minnesota was once named a MacPhail Center Outstanding Teacher. I have been fortunate in my career to have worked with many great pedagogues, and with many outstanding performers and artists. I have met inspired people doing great work in countless areas. I have served on the board of directors of several non-profit arts organizations and assisted many others in their development. I take seriously the principles in the Bill of Rights and the fair treatment of individuals worldwide. I am a vegan and non-violent person and applaud and support many peaceful and progressive causes.
What happens next?
The next hearing is tentatively scheduled for May 25th at Hennepin County Courthouse.
Schedule updates will be posted here at www.greencycles.blogspot.com
I invite you to post your comments on this, even if brief, and invite all who are able to attend the trial. Together we can strive for positive change to arise from this ordeal.
With many thanks, and hope for the peaceful resolution of all such issues,
Stephan Orsak
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U.S. Constitution Bill of Rights Amendment IV:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
U.S. Constitution Bill of Rights Amendment VIII:
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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Wednesday, May 2, 2007
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 382 Newer› Newest»This is a chilling tale. More so to those who know Stephan. I have worked with Stephan in various job situations (as a freelance classical musician) for years. Once, I was in a situation where I was very angry at him, to his face. He reacted calmly, reasonably and with courtesy. If police are allowed to go after people like Stephan, we are all greatly at risk.
Laurel Browne, viola player
if i weren't living under the current administration, i'd be able to voice my immediate reaction, "this is unbelievable!" as it is, we're all at risk of such treatment. this isn't some "unlucky immigrant" in NYC--this is HERE.
i'm assuming you'll be posting hearing time and details? you have a defense fund?
joanna shelton (violin)
I know police officers who are wonderful, responsible, and helpful citizens. But this is clearly law "enforcement" run amock and is a sign of something seriously broken in the system. We are all behind you, Stephan, in fighting this ridiculous case against you. May it be a wake up call to law enforcement officials and politicians that our laws and law-enforcers are in place to protect, not victimize all of us.
I recently moved in as Stephan's housemate two weeks ago, and am astonished at the claims made against him. He is a kind, and gentle person who I cannot imagine would ever instigate conflict or argument with any sort of verbal or physical violence. This is an opportunity to expose gross misconduct and profiling on behalf of the Minneapolis Police. I am only regretful that Stephan had to endure the costs of this mistreatment and must continue to dedicate so much time to righting this negative experience.
Anjuli Paroo, student
I have seen Stephan cycling in England last year and I could not believe the story when I was first told - as it is told in this pages. I am worried about the "cowboy" manners of the police; and wonder, whether is it enough to ride a bike now to be ATTACKED by, no criminals, but policemen?
I hope very much you will win this case, Stephan
Birgit from berlin
Though I've only known Stephan for a short while, I feel confident in saying his character is one of integrity and kindness. That any of these claims could be made against him seems utterly prepsterous.
However, as an individual who seeks to gather all information possible before reaching such a conclusion, I have thoroughly reviewed the information linked through this site, including all police evidence. I have found nothing substantiating the claims of the local law enforcement.
On the contrary, the picture that emerges is one of unnecessary physical, emotional, and mental harm inflicted upon an innocent US citizen at the hands of grossly irresponsible police officers.
I hope, through due process, that the guilty parties will be discerned and adequately disciplined on behalf of US citizens everwhere.
- Evan Snyder
Having spent my entire life with this man, him being my father, I am still at a loss of words as to why and how this could have happened. The idea of someone so innocent, so kind and gracious to all who surround him, so interested in making the world a better place.... I stand confused and hurt on behalf of my father. The trust and faith I have in the safety of this country is quickly questioned, and being a parent myself I begin to taste the fear that we are presented with on a daily basis. Where to go from here? I am left wondering. This is a story of pure injustice, one of hundreds and thousands to be told. Although there is much good the police do for us, one must be aware of the hidden and untold stories and events. Stories which are NOT posted to boast on the pages of the star tribune or pioneer press.
A few years ago, they were badly harrasing the Critical Mass riders using the same tactics. MN laws state a bicycle can be siezed, IF it is LOCKED up, not registered with the local government, a sign is posted on the bicycle, and the bicycle is not removed in 24 hours. They asked the CM riders if the bikes they were RIDING were registered, and if not they were siezed, almost all rider were ticketed. They lost on all accounts, but a huge hassle. But they did not learn thier lesson. I rode with them the following year.
Check Minnesota Law. You can be pretty sure the No Bicycle signs are illegal, as long as the business is open to the public. I will try to check tonight.
This is a terrible story. As a Minneapolis bike courier, I have been frequently harrassed by the police as well. In the worst instance, four officers were investigating a Northeast robbery. I was riding south on Monroe St at Spring St. after picking up a job from a client at Broadway and Jacksonm and was mistaken by the pursuing officers for "some black guy who robbed a house" (I'm white). Before I could say anything, one of the officers ran at me from his squad car pointing a taser at me. I said, "Is that a taser?" and the officer replied, "Yeah, and I've got a lot of other toys, too." I quickly explained that I was a courier picking up a package (which was sticking out of my bag), and that they clearly had the wrong person. They agreed that this was probably true, and they let me go. The whole incident probably took about forty-five seconds. Coworkers have been assaulted and jailed for riding on Nicollet Mall during the day (which is illegal for cyclists unless you're a courier and have a "mall pass"; they did). The charges were dor disorderly conduct (for cussing at the officers after being assaulted). I sincerely hope that your case is dismissed and that the officer is charged. This is truly disgusting. Not to mention all the non-bike-related incidents of Minneapolis Police brutality...
The bottom line is this: the police represent the power structure. The power structure cannot tolerate people being independant of oil. That would be indicative of a high level of personal autonomy that Big Business and their enforcers will never allow. We must be herded like sheep. We must use, via public transportation or personal transportation, fossil fuels. We must enrich our corporate masters. As someone who has commuted by bicycle every single working day since Jan 23 1986, I wish you well. While your travails exceed anything I have encountered, there have been times when I have "gotten away" only through what could be described as groveling behavior in front of the police. Sometimes, though, groveling gets old. Peace and Kindness to you!
Stephan,
I am angered and appalled by this action. Of course it is reflective of the current society and political climate we have today.
I hope you do continue to pursue this legally and challenge this. Ther can be very little doubt that you will win.
If there is anything that I can do to help, please contact me and let me know.
Oh and my son is a second Violinist in his school band and also a vegetarian.
I Remain Yours
Michael Cavlan
Candidate US Senate
I want this story to be spread far and wide. I will do my best to see that that happens.
Stephan,
I forwarded on your blog site to some local activists I know, and your story and blog site have now been posted on TC Indymedia. Please let them know if you would rather not have it posted there.
Also, are you working with Communities United Against Police Brutality?
Laila
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Thank you to all for your voices of support, thoughts and stories.
Thank you Laila, I welcome the Indymedia posting, and encourage more of the same. As to Communities United Against Police Brutality, I'm looking into that further and will have more to post, but what I've learned so far is not encouraging. It seems a very small percentage of cases result in police reprimand, and those are token at best. To answer a few other questions, thanks Johanna!- as to legal defense fund, I'm O.K. for now, it is costing me more time than money at the moment but I would not want a single dollar coming to me in lieu of another critical cause like famine relief, HIV, amnesty international, etc. But many thanks. Most of all what I need and we need now are the voices of support- these demonstrate to the decision makers how important this kind of thing is for all of us.
Please feel free to forward this poster:
http://homepage.mac.com/
stephanorsak/FileSharing3.html
Peace and good wishes,
Stephan
That such a thing would occur in the United States of America is depressing. I can't think of better evidence that even here there is always a rogue element intent on making our country into a police state. I wish you every success with your case and you might consider a civil lawsuit afterwards.
http://ros.leg.mn/bin/getpub.php?pubtype=STAT_CHAP&year=2006§ion=169&keyword_type=exact&keyword=bicycle#stat.169.30.0
169.305 CONTROLLED-ACCESS RULES AND PENALTIES.
Subdivision 1. Entrance and exit; crossover; use regulations; signs; rules.
(c) The commissioner of transportation may by order, and any public authority may by
ordinance, with respect to any controlled-access highway under their jurisdictions prohibit or
regulate the use of any such highway by pedestrians, BICYCLEs, or other nonmotorized traffic, or
by motorized BICYCLES, or by any class or kind of traffic which is found to be incompatible with
the normal and safe flow of traffic.
(NOTE: ON ANY OTHER KIND OF HIGHWAY THEY CANNOT BAN SLOW MOVING VEHICLES).
(Pedestrian Malls ban all kinds of vehicles.)
Due to a recent US Supreme Court Ruling, you cannot wait to file an unlawful arrest suit. The time to file begins with the date of the arrest, not from the settlement of any tickets or criminal charges. You need to file your lawsuit immediately, certainly before the statue of limitations expire.
Thanks, Mike- that is an important bit. The commissioner of transportation may do it by order, but by public authority it requires an ordinance. Here it is again:
MN Statutes 169.305 subd 1(c):
(c) The commissioner of transportation may by order, and any public authority may by ordinance, with respect to any controlled-access highway under their jurisdictions prohibit or regulate the use of any such highway by pedestrians, bicycles, or other nonmotorized traffic, or by motorized bicycles, or by any class or kind of traffic which is found to be incompatible with the normal and safe flow of traffic.
Interesting, here is the next paragraph in the same Statute:
(d) The commissioner of transportation or the public authority adopting any such prohibitory rules shall erect and maintain official signs on the controlled-access highway on which such rules are applicable and when so erected no person shall disobey the restrictions stated on such signs.
Clearly, appropriate signs are a requirement, and MAC has the right to request new signs prohibiting bikes (whether that is the best approach or not is another question). I have found nothing in the MAC ordinances prohibiting bikes. Another question is who exactly the 'commissioner of transportation' is under Airport authority, and whether it is legal for the police to post permanent signs on their own initiative. I was told at MAC that they must apply for permission to post temporary signs...
Thanks very much for the info on the Supreme Court ruling, that is news for me. I am currently waiting to hear back from the ACLU, and want to explore all options including possible class actions. Good luck in your campaign!
Hi dad~ I just can't believe how long this has been going on for, that you've spent the last 8 months focused on this case! I hope that everything will be cleared up very, very soon so that you may continue on again with your many artistic projects which have had to be put on hold! Wish i could be there to make you delicious little vegan treats while you're glued to the computer chair compiling your case presentation!
I put your blog up on mplsbikelove, a local bike community forum...
http://mplsbikelove.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2634
You can check back and update the group. If you would like, I'm sure we could put together a good 50 bike riders to show up the the court house!
Keep it up and DON'T compromise!
So very sorry to hear about your misstreatment. Will be following your case. Best wishes, Logan
Good god this sucks. Sorry to hear about this. I will forward this around. Good luck with everything!
Do you have a defence fund that I can contribute to?
That is really awful and I hope he has a damned good civil rights lawyer. As well as the violation of civil rights by self important rental cops, I am very concerned as a fellow musician, of the potential physical damage to his hands and fingers.
I hope your brother gets justice and all will work out for him. I am particularly concerned over the "loss" of any video tape. That seems awfully suspicious in and of itself.
A vegetarian violinist on a bicycle--well, now I feel all safe and secure knowing the police are going after the most dangerous thugs among us.
I'm so happy that the cops are not wasting their time on all the carjackings, shootings, and beatings.
Seriously, Mr. Orsak, please please get the best lawyer you possibly can. You deserve some major compensation for that.
A quick websearch showed that officer wingate has had other problems with people.
Give it a shot.
While I agree that the cop was a pig, I don't see how one could get to the airport without going on one of freeways, which are clearly posted motorized traffic only.
Given the amount of traffic around the airport, I don't think it's a good idea to bike there. Next time take a cab.
As an aside, myself and about 40 neighbors were bullied and intimidated by the Park Board. Once you have to interface with "our government" you find out how fearful they are of losing control.
A June 1 poster says there's no non-freeway way to bike in/out: If it weren't for the making of the surface road to the post office one way, it would be possible to bike out towards the SuperAmerica and then past the cemetary, etc. A long way to go to avoid frewways.
In more progressive parts of the country, bikes are allowed on interstate shoulders in areas where no nearby uncontrolled roads offer safe passage.
More to the point, why is MSP so bike unfriendly? A lone cyclist is no security threat. What could possibly trigger such a police response? Code Orange, my ass. This was plain harrasment. And in front of a trainee, too. Yikes.
Overall, I am just sitting here going 'ohmigawd' at how horrifically you were treated.
So police state. So lacking in presumption of your right of lawful use.
I am really curious about the other post that indicated Office Wingate has had problems before? I'm no lawyer, but sounds like the Dep't could have cause for a cash settlement.
Hope you sue for infringement of your civil rights. Others here are right about getting a good lawyer/defense (offense?) fund!
Good luck!!! I'm sure more of us will be following this case now that Roadguy pointed out this nutty-ness.
The police discription of Stephan's reactions do not match up with the person I have known for years. For three years I was Stephan's art instructor and a have been a friend ever since. In that time I have only experianced a positive forward looking person who even in the most stressful of circumstances trys to logicly and thoughtfully question his way through to the best possible outcome. He is one of the most possitive individuals I know. I have friends who are police and I know they are expected to communicate clearly no matter the situation. I know Stephan, he would have reacted well to clear communication. Keep speaking out Stephan. I will do all I can to help you. Dale Redpath, painter and teacher
I am from South Pacific and came across Stephen Orsaks' story on your webb site; greencycles.blogsport.com. It makes me wonder if police are fare and just in their actions. I would fear for my life stepping outof any airport in US, after learning of polic brutality. I will post this webb page to friends in Pacific. Mr Officer Wingate is no doubt in my mind guilty of assult and should be reprimanded.
Full supporter of environmentally friendly transport system.
It is as easy as pie to get to the airport on a bike. Just go around Post Road if you are coming from Bloomington, Richfield or south, or go down the Ft. Snelling bike trail if you are coming from Minneapolis. Then just go to the P.0., and then stay on the sidewalk and through some bushes. I do it every day. And when going home? Stay on the sidewalk on the PO road, because it is one-way.
And one more thing: hide from police!
I have had awful experiences with Minneapolis Police, but not this awful, although I have certainly heard stories. I hope the best for you!
Damm when the COP say stop , you STOP. What part do you not understand?? THis could of been done with back in Sept of 06, if you would have leasoned to the Police. But since you ride a bike and i take it you are broke and this is your way to make some $$$$$.
It is unfortunate that your behavior has caused you to spur an angry rage against others that are simply trying to do their job to the best they can. As was reiterated before, you SHOULD NOT have been riding a bike on the roadway- as an "experienced cyclist
" that you are, you should have known better. If an officer tells you to "STOP", then STOP! If someone was disrespecting you trying to do your job, you'd get a little irritated too! The Airport Police are excellent officers- they deal with highly publicized situations with great tact. Learn your lesson, swallow your pride, and move on.
stephen an all of your supporters are gay...especially that congressman
michael cavlan remains yours;)
I read your story with great interest....and a bit of sympathy. As some others have posted, you should have simply obeyed the police officers commands. I realize that you may not be a fan of police officers. However, there is no reason why you should be above the law. Keep in mind that the police officers do not have any idea who you are. Yes, you may be on a bicycle. How are they to know that you do not have a gun tucked into a backpack or in a pocket? My uncle was a police officer for nearly twenty years before he was shot and killed by a man he stopped for littering. Yes, LITTERING. He saw a man toss a fastfood bag out of his window. When my uncle pulled him over, the man shot my uncle while he was approaching the car. My uncle died in the hospital that night.
I urge you to take a moment and relax. Put yourself in the police officer's shoes. Simply put, your behavior was ABNORMAL. It isn't normal for people to ride bicycles in high-traffic areas. Your abnormal behavior coupled with your failure to comply with their orders certainly sends up red flags.
I encourage you to be a responsible bicyclist. I bike to and from work on a daily basis (save for rainy or snowy days). Be kind and respectful of authority. FOLLOW THE LAWS. PLEASE USE COMMON SENSE, TOO!
A friend forwarded a link to your blog to me and I read it with much interest.
Thank you for your actions. Officer Bryant and Sergeant Karsnia were clearly out of line and should be held fully accountable for their transgressions.
I've provided a news link of your experience to Freedom's Phoenix at:
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com
I also wanted to thank you for the way you've decided to document the incident and the ongoing legal issues. I had my own run-in with out of control cops in December of 2002 at a suspicionless checkpoint in a remote part of Southwest Arizona. I've documented the entire encounter, including my legal defense and the subsequent/ongoing civil rights lawsuit, at:
http://www.checkpointusa.org
You may find some of the legal documentation useful.
I'd also recommend that you find out what State agency certifies the two officers who assaulted you and make sure their certifications are in order. Minnesota undoubtedly has an 'Open Records' law that you can use to procure copies of their certifications and training. In Arizona, the certifying board is called the 'Peace Officer Standards and Training Board' or AZ POST for short. I don't know what it would be for Minnesota.
Finally, if you intend to file a lawsuit against the police, Minnesota law may require that you first file a 'Notice of Claim' with the officers if you intend to file against them in their official capacities. Definitely check the statute of limitations...
Regards,
Terry Bressi
terry@checkpointusa.org
Forget all these people saying that you should have obeyed them immediately. The law is there and the officers are there to enforce them. They are not above the law and cannot take justice in their own hands. If they really were suspicious of you, having them ID you is enough. But to take out their anger on you just b/c your doing what you do, abiding the law, and carrying on because you did nothing wrong is just wrong. Them officers SHOULD BE FIRED.
I'm sorry to everyone else, but I hope you note everything that goes on. For going overboard and hiding all evidence and everything, framing you, this is not justice.
You could have simply obeyed them, but what point is having our rights when some police believe they are above the law and/or are the law.
I hope everything works out for you. Good luck on your battle Friend.
Stephen, you have such a good case against those horrible men...those bastards. That terrible terrible incident should have never happened.
Forever yours,
Bruce, the skin flute player
dude, know your rights, which you did. thank goddess you aren't more hurt, and use this life experience to build more resolve and fight in your soul. YOU WILL be stronger in the end. good luck and don't give up- truth is on your side.
Thank you all for your continuing comments. There is space here for all to speak. I appreciate very much your voices of support.
NPR did an interview some months back on a truly great Boston beat cop, a person that police and civilians alike would be impressed by. It seems he had survived well more than 35 years on the street. He was asked 'how did you make it this long?'- his reply, 'I never lost my respect for the other person'. Well, there are volumes written in that one statement, and it is also a two-way street. But there's our example for the future. I believe empathy will always take us further than threats.
After reading this, I cannot even tell you how concerned and enraged I am. These cops cannot keep getting away with this sort of behavior. Fight this to the end. I did as Anonymous (June 1 reply) stated. I looked up this Officer Wingate rouge idiot using the yahoo and google search engines. It does seem he has had some problems in the past. Look up the Aaron James Story at www.aaronjamesstory.com. Watch the videos in his blog. Sound familiar. Again the Airport Police framed this guy and discriminated against him. I also see this Officer Windgate had something to do with the Muslims being taken off a U.S. Airways flight. And all they were doing was praying. All you were doing was riding your bike. What a complete joke these Airport cops are. He and the rest of them that framed you need to be fired.
And that leads me to the use of tazers. How awful! Maybe Officer Wingate and the rest of the cops that use them should be tazed themselves. Maybe then they will know how it feels and won’t want to use it so thoughtlessly in the future. And I definitely agree with you, they are a barbaric in nature. But take this a step further. I believe the Airport officer also carries guns. Makes me feel safer. They taze you riding a bike. I don’t even want to know when they might shoot someone. But it comes to the people who make the decisions for a particular department to carry tazers. And it seems these heads are coming into problems with the law as well. It seems I have seen countless stories on the news with cops getting into trouble. Wasn’t a police chief just arrested for DWI not to long ago? I really don’t like them and I have lost all respect for them after reading this and Aaron James’ story.
Well hope everything turns out well for you. I will pass this onto my classmates and friends at the U of M. Many of them ride bikes to and from school each day. We are with you in this fight.
I don’t know if Officer Windgate is a vegitarian or not, but I bet he is a musician playing the skin flute a lot.
This is indeed one of the most horrendous acts against a cyclist I have ever heard of. Such a blatant violation of human rights.
If anything you are going about this in the right way, and you are making an excellent example of how to respond to such treatment. I don't think I would have had the self-restraint you have had throughout this.
I wish you all the best in your trial, and I sincerely hope that those officers are at least fired from the force as a result of this.
All you had to do was comply, as soon as you argue with the police you open up a road that you have now been down. Maybe next time you want to ride your little foldy bike when you fly research how to get to and from the airport you are flying into.
And to say the Airport police in MN represent the Oil Companies you have to be soft in the head.
Total compliance, unfortunately, is the only thing that would work.
That, I agree with. BUT, the force used on this gentleman is reserved for wild-eyed, crack-dealing gangbanging thugs in da' 'hood... not on a pacifist violinist on a folding bicycle.
If TWO cops need that kinda firepower on ONE person, who is that non-threatening, then maybe THEY need to spend more time at the gym instead of the donut shops--or maybe THEY need to be on bikes.
This is a very frightening tale. Please don't drop your efforts to bring this to the attention of the public and the legal system.
This makes me sick. Are you accepting donations for your expenses? I wish you all of the best.
For many years I've been collecting information on user experiences taking bikes on planes riding in/out of about 150 airports.
This is the worst case I have EVER heard of. I posted a warning on the site.
George
www.BikeAccess.net
It comes down to this question...do you think that we should obey a police order at all times no matter what?
Based on some of the postings here, it seems that some people believe that is the case.
If what happened to Stephan happened the way he relates, than my opinion is that there does come a time where we have a RIGHT to peaceful resistance.
Also what this really boils down to is a police officer that let his pride get in the way of doing his job which is to protect and to serve. His judgement to use excessive force was completely out of line, no matter what you believe about whether Stephan should have obeyed or not.
And based on all the evidence presented and the charges against Stephan, none of it implies that Stephan was ever a threat to their safety.
Please respond....
ahhhh.....mmmmm....yah....im gonna need you to work on Sat.
Thanks again for all of your comments and good wishes. Several have asked about contributing to my defense fund. At this point, the greatest social contribution is to spread the word as far and wide as you can and to encourage comments here and on other forums. If we don't take a stand for our civil rights, they will certainly piece by piece erode and disappear. You will not be surprised that this ordeal ticked well into the four digits well within four days. If you wish to contribute something and have the means, I would gratefully accept that, so long as the funds do not diminish what goes to so many other worthy causes, and if you also let me know one or two of your favorite charitable groups where I can later direct something, either in your name or anonymously, 220 Forest Ave St Paul MN 55115. Thanks and welcoming all auditors to the trial beginning Monday July 16, tentatively 1:30 downtown Minneapolis. Top right corner of blog will always have the most recent updates.
BTW, I highly recommend a look at poster Terry Bressi's site checkpointusa.org, then click on TOPD Roadblock. There are many parallels to this case.
Thanks, Stephan
stephan, i am so sorry for your ordeal. this is clearly an inexcusable act of police bullying. i hope you get all of your 6 counts overturned. i'll be following this to see what happens. GOOD LUCK!
Some of these posts depress me. Are we, as Americans, only fit to be herded like cattle? To have an electric prod stuck in our butts to make us comply? Look---Stephan wasn't selling drugs, running guns or mugging passerby. He was riding a bike, for cryin' out loud, trying to get out of the airport.
Has anyone noticed lately that we are in a very, very major war over oil? Is it conceivable that bike riding should actually be encouraged? Perhaps people like Stephan should be respected, if not lauded? While I believe in respecting police, there are times when police are just plain WRONG. There are times when rules are just plain WRONG. There are times when authority MUST BE questioned and resisted simply for the sake of humankind.
Persevere, Stephan!
It is one thing when you read about poloice brutality or hear about it through some second hand source, but to actually know the person involved in an incident is a frightening reality check.
These things do happen. Of course it doesn't mean that all police are bad, in fact, I still believe that many of them are out there doing their job to protect us and are doing it well.
However, the manner in which these police officers behaved from the very begining was inappropriate and unacceptable. The manner in which they behaved at the end, by tasing someone who I personally know to be the last person to use any kind of threatening physical or verbal actions towards anyone at all....that is scary, WRONG, disgusting and alarming.
I agree that we need to stand up to these things or over time it is possible that they will occur more and more. When you start researching it you see it already is happening all around us.
Thank you, Stephan, for spending so much time and energy to stand up for your morals.
Jason
Both the police and criminals are parasites who work to each others benefit using the same system.
They both consider the law abiding as prey.
As do their masters...
Stephan,
You mentioned a Boston Cop in your June 5th posting. You stated he would be someone that civilians and police alike would be impressed by because he never lost respect for the other person. Don’t be fooled or disillusioned for a second. Given the same circumstances, with you conscientiously standing up for your civil rights and objecting to his commands at the time, that Boston Cop would have done the same thing. All these pigs are the same. They suck and take away our civil rights on a daily basis. I looked up the Aaron James story on the website posted by another blogger. They used two tasers on him at the same time. Common, are you kidding me!!!!!! They were trying to kill that guy!!!!!! All he did was be black and have a bag seated next to him while flying. All you did was ride your bike. And you both were treated like animals. I mean common, his mom in the video looks like a sweet, non-threatening little old lady. And look how the Airport Police treated her. Again, I agree with an earlier blogger [[anonymous]], the Airport Police and all police are jokes looking to take whatever civil rights they can away from anyone to make themselves feel big. And in another blog, {anonymous} said police and criminals are parasites. Well add the judicial system to that, becauyse they still have charges against you. Our government is against us. Maybe we should move to Canada? Ha ha. Good luck with everything.
Robbie S.
Dear Stephan,
I was amazed to hear your story and passed it on to all I know, including my sister who this weekend will be starting the Race Across America. I hope to be able to come to support you at your trial, and would come by bike if it weren't for the fact that I can't ride one anymore after being hit by a car who didn't know how to share the road. I wish I had a dollar for all the times people have told me bikes are dangerous! I would donate all the money to your legal expenses and there would still be some left over for all the other causes you feel are even more pressing. (By the way, I always set those ridiculous people straight that bikes are not dangerous, cars are, and they usually cut the conversation short and slink away with their tale between their legs.)
All the best in this and if you are not acquitted I will personally go pour some sugar in the gas tank of Officer Wingate's cruiser and stick a potato in the tailpipe to boot!
I would request to see what exactly the cameras record. If you view yesterday's footage (assuming that it hasn't been erased) then you shouldn't be able to see where the incident occured. If in viewing footage, you can see the area where the incident occured, i would bring that in as evidence. Good luck. I have seen very respectful officers, and unfortunatel i have seen some "nazi" type officers, who think that the badge puts them above the law.
Just because a cyclist is riding in an unusual place doesn't mean it's an illegal place to ride. If the MAC wants to keep bicycles out of there, it must be properly posted so. Despite the incredibly bike hostile design of the roads in and out of the airport, it was NOT so marked when Stephan rode there. It may have been unusual, perhaps unsafe, but not illegal. The police response, aside from being utterly hostile and needlessly aggressive, is unwarranted to begin with. At most they should have politely informed him of the danger and escorted him to a safer route.
Keep us all posted on this. Undoubtedly, their response will be to ban all non-motorized traffic from within a mile of the airport, but this is a public access issue. This is a public facility, and they are discriminating.
unbelievable, yet sadly believable. For a city that considers itself so progressive, it is notable that there is no direct bike / ped access to MSP .
keep posting! pls let us know if it would be helpful to have friendly biker faces in the courtroom come hearing time....
--->> Joe (bike commuter, yes, thru snow, etc...)
No wonder people blow each other away in america.
There is no way I'd stand ofr that and I dont think anyone in the uk would either and beleive me if that kind of action was taken by the police in this ccopuntry in the right areas the police wouldnt be alive, seriously !
All the best man !!!
I have not had the pleasure of meeting Stephan, but am friends with his daughter and soon to be son-in-law. I am appauled that I live in a country where civil liberties are so blatently disregarded, yet know that this is nothing new. I am more concerned with the fact that there is so much of a conspiracy to cover up the truth. It seems as if we will all be prisoners soon in a place which was founded upon the rights, liberties and freedom of all who may live here. I find myself ashamed to call myself an American when the good people of our country are sought out with more rigor than the criminals who threaten our youth daily.
As a sworn peace officer, my initial reaction to the description of what happened to Stephan was, "not too smart Stephan". When two peace officers tell you to stop, you made a very big mistake by riding off.
BUT
The more I have reviewed what Stephan has provided on this site, the more I am convinced that the officers acted well beyond what I would assume would be their Department's "use of force policy"
First, the traffic stop was not based upon any reasonable belief that a law had been broken. The seemingly innocent officer mistake that Stephan was a pedestrian can not be taken seriously. They must know the vehicle code better than that.
Second, It is hard to believe that two rather large officers had to resort to the use of a taser to subdue a 140 pound individual who may have been resistive, but not combatitive. Again put the stop in the perspective that it wasn't even a lawful stop.
I've had several very experienced supervisory law enforcement personnel review the officer's reports and they all came to the conclusion that they would counsel and possibly even disciplined the two officers.
Peter B.
Peter B,
Would it be possiable to obtain the police reports so that we all may see the inconcistancies? I would be very interested to see the lies first hand.
I can't help but think this incident could have been handled in a more effective way by the officers. Bicycle riding is an accepted form of transportation. Stephan has done it, as he says, from numerous airports and saw no prohibitive signs.
This incident needs to be tossed out. The signs put up after the incident clearly indicate that there was a void of proper instruction for travelers. The airport authorities realized too late that they needed these signs, and need to apologize and clean up this incident with Mr. Orsak. He was treated harshly and unfairly.
Thanks again to all, Justin, Eric, Barry,Frances, biker said. Midway Cyclist, great blog. Robbie, thanks, your remarks are sobering to me. Allison, you've suffered in the worst way, but would be great to see you at the trial! Likewise, Joe, a courtroom of friendly biker faces would be great! We could even do a parade getting there. Thanks to Jason, to Peter- great thoughts.
I've put in new direct blog links for the police evidence and narratives. Many have noted that they would like to see the other side, but I guess it wasn't clear. Well, it's here now in bright red! Let me know what you think.
PUTTING OUT A SPECIAL CALL TO ALL CYCLISTS who have ridden at the airport and are willing to be on the witness stand. Can you email me with your info? The case could hinge on this- establishing that it used to be legal to ride there, and that the strange new signs came 4 months later. All of this and more is on the website
http://web.mac.com/stephanorsak
Cheers, Stephan
i don't buy it. i believe that the police pulled stephen over because they didn't want him biking, but everything else, every detail seems too carefully articulated. i don't have any reason to be so cynical, and i believe that the police are capable of this kind of action, but when i read it something smells. i can't just assume he didn't provoke them. it smells like just another tactic to promote his own point of view and that's it.
Ah, "Anonymous", you may be amazed at the level of detail here...and you maybe think that that in it self "smells". But I think that detail goes with being an artist and a musician. Minute details are a major part of playing the violin, especially at a professional level. And if you think about what it takes to paint a portrait, or a landscape, the level of detail there, and then you think about this web site, you might see some parallels. Detail should not make you suspicious something is "off"...rather here it's evidence that Stephan is a very detail-oriented person. I would add intelligent, and thoughtful, and reasonable. See if you can't find those qualities here. It is indeed outrageous to think that a person could be perfectly reasonable and get tazed. Surely that doesn't compute. It couldn't. If I didn't know Stephan I'd be with you, I'd be suspicious myself. But I do know the guy. He really IS reasonable, thoughtful, intelligent and detail oriented. Yes, he did walk away from the officers. Maybe you would too. I have no clue what I would do if someone were yelling at me and treating my like ...well, hmmm, like...well, like nobody should be treated.
i am sorry...i cannot stay quiet on this...ptsd..seriously...now i believe you are just looking for a buck.
Hmmmm. Hmmmmmm. Interesting that one anonymous poster believes that all this is "just to make a buck." It's possible but considering what else (often worse) is swept under the carpet by police throughout the country, I'd be inclined to give Mr. Orsak the benefit of the doubt.
However, I'd like to hear more comments from anyone who thinks this is a made up incident or that the victim is just out to make a buck.
Thus, some questions for anyone who thinks everyone who comes out against police brutality is just trying to make a quick buck.
(1) How do you distinguish exactly, between people "looking for a buck" versus intelligent people who had their civil rights violated and (unlike if it were a poor, uneducated person) and happen to be well equipped mentally and otherwise to fight the injustice, remembering all the details that happened, etc? How do YOU distinguish between the two possibilities?
(2) Do you think people who have had their civil rights violated are entitled to punitive damages? How else does one finally convince the "authorities" (expecially rent-a-cop companies) to be told under no uncertain terms by their bosses that harrassment, belligerancy, and brutality are no-gos? It's not unsimilar to our soldiers in Iraq, a FEW of whom thought, in the absence of strong words to the contrary, that they could literally get away with rape and murder.
Our bill of rights was always designed, and has always worked, to protect the minority viewpoint and rare incident more than it has ever protected the silent, sheep-like majority.
Does one have the right to question the police as to what they're doing wrong? Or are we all supposed to act like we're in a police state and meekly bow our heads and ask or say nothing so that the Gestapo won't beat us with their sticks?????
Hmmmmm.
I also think he is just trying to save his ass...yes, we should question authority but should do so in a correct manor. If we are stopped/seized by a police officer we do not have the right to leave until they conclude. this is what authority does and always has. our authority does not rival the gestapo or the nazi's...try reading about nazi germany or visiting a former prison such as the dakow death camp...
-the angry jew
this is just like liberal america trying to minimize the jews tribulation during the hollacoust
Did it ever occur to you that the police were simply looking out for your safety? I won't even get on a motorcycle because motorists in cars don't see you. Most roads around the airport are freeways...why on earth would you put yourself in that kind of danger?
Many of the bloggers keep referring to the cops as pigs and on ego trips. But the fact of the matter is, they are here to protect society and if they request something of you, you don't get to be belligerent. Would you rather live in a society without police since these pigs have no self control? Crime everywhere you turn? No one to put criminals behind bars and keep drunk drivers off our roads?
We are all human...no one is perfect...including those that serve the community.Profiling does occur, but come on, the police have something against bicyclists?? Perhaps they have ties to Middle East oil and don't approve of your attempt to put them in bankruptcy. That is one heck of a conspiracy theory. I am sure that the airport police were quick to post signs about bicycles as they realized they had overlooked an issue that puts citizens in danger. It is NOT common to see bicyclists to and from the airport.
I heard this story shortly after it occured from the officer-in-training who is ALSO an upstanding citizen. Per him, they were simply trying to get you to move to a safe area to ride. But since you are invincible, you would not listen and rode away from them. They should have slapped an evading police charge on you. (And yes, they have had to be tased and maced in training so they understand what they are inflicting on another human. It sucks you had to get tased, but maybe you should stop thinking YOU are above the law).
By the way, way to bike to help save the environment. I am sure all the jet fuel spewed into the atmosphere from the plane you rode on will have no effect in the coming years.
Rae
I would have to agree that claiming PTSD is evidence of a shakedown. Comparing your incident to the experience of someone in a war is lame.
If nothing else comes of it I hope you learn not to get in a pissing contest with the cops. Your own narrirative says they warned you at least three times.
How is the view from the moral high ground?
I just have to respond to some of the last few comments because while they seem to be comming from intelligent people (as opposed to some of the offensive, comments made by people on BOTH sides of the issue) they still are stretching to turn it all around.
Lets start with the angry jew post. I am Jewish as well, and I would never have equated anything that Stephan has written or posted on his website with being offensive in the least bit towards Jews. The comment was really a reply to another post which was speaking to the fact that we are NOT in a police state and should not feel like we are "bowing our heads to the Gestapo". Is that offensive to the horrific experiences of Jews...to insinuate that we MIGHT be headed in that directio? Certainly not to me, in fact to me it shows a heightened level of respect for the Holocatust because it is coming from someone that is weary of allowing such a terrible thing to ever happen again.
Someone else said, "we do not have a right to leave until they conclude." I'd like to challenge that person to show me the law ordinance that says that. I've looked into it personally and unless you are being put under arrest, (which Stephan was NOT) than that is not the case. Of course if he were in a motor vehicle (which he was not) and the police had pulled him over using the proper procedure (which they did not) then perhaps he could not just drive off, but that was NOT the case, and the police, who are there to protect us, should (and presumably did) know that.
If the police were so "concerned for his safety", then why did they pull up next to him and begin threatening him? Why did they tell him to do something even more dangerous (to walk his bike back against traffic)?
Did the police stop Stephan in the proper way (and what for...he had done NOTHING ILLEGAL...THERE WERE NO SIGNS....)? Were they calm and reasonable and if they were so "concerned for his safety" then why didn't they offer to escort him back to the terminal?
The story from Stepahns point of view is clearly that he was not belligerent but that Officer Wingate was (note that Stephan has always said that it was Wingate that was doing all the yelling at him etc....Bryant just obeyed the order to tase him.) Knowing Stephan, it is hard to believe that he would have ever behaved in a belligerent way and I'm sure that just about anyone who knows him would agree.
I've spoken to several people whom I respect in law enforcement and they all make the clear point that unless Stephan was doing something illegal to begin with (which he clearly was not...it may be unusual to bike from the aiport...but not illegal.) they had no right to stop him and that everything that followed, no matter who was the one being belligerent, is the responsibility of the police.
I have great respect for the law. And I still have respect for my civil rights. The law enforcement is there to protect and to serve, not to harrass. A taser has the potential to save lives. They were introduced as an alternative to having to use a bullet. But to use it because you weren't winning an argument? Please. Never in the police narratives does it mention Stephan ever using any force or making any kind of a threatening gesture towards them. It simply states an "unsucessful take down maneuver"....PLEASE, give me a break.
And to say that all police officers are tased in training is not true. One person in the group volunteers to be tased...and BEFORE they tase him, they make sure that he does not have any health issues. Yes it is a horrific experience to be tased, I'm sure, and to be taken to jail...and to try and make a big deal about this PTSD is a stretch from what Stephan has ever said. He never has said anything about PTSD.
I know this man, and you are wrong if you think he is after this for the money. His entire life biography speaks the opposite. He is a generous, conscientous person that is simply troubled by this sort of action.
Look at the lame charges against him... nothing about evading a police officer...hmmmmmm
The last comment I read about him having flown on an airplane...yes. That is true, i'll give you that one...but knowing Stephan, (he would also agree with you), he probably does something to counter balance the effects as best as he can (like donating to some green efforts) and so what....stick to the case will you!
Jason
Stephan,
This account so make me sad. I gave up riding my bicycle about a year ago simply because these kinds of encounters were becoming all too common. Previously I rode every where for years, almost five years without a car. As a tourist I've ridden from airports many times, and folding cycles can be very handy for this. The Brampton can be take as carry-on if I'm not mistaken.
I sincerely hope that these people are relieved of duty and quick. They seem to be vicious unethical men that have been given much of our safety.
Mr. Orsak,
I came across your blog thanks to a Google keyword search.
As president of a bicycle advocacy organization in Albuquerque, I sympathize with you. In my time in bike advocacy, I've encountered many similar stories to this, but none involving tasering or other extreme physical harm.
I hope the court hearings in these next few days rule in favor of justice.
Best of luck, and keep the rubber side down.
--Ben Savoca
BikeABQ
I’ll begin by sharing my first reaction: What a story! A shocking one, actually. I’ve read through this several times to absorb all the facets of what happened. I came to find it upon the recommendation of a friend who read some newspaper reference this incident and copied down the URL and e-mailed it to me.
From my reading of the incident, 2 issues stand out above all the rest:
ISSUE #1: Why was the bicyclist pulled over or redirected in the first place? What was the cause? If there was no signage posted prohibiting bicylists, then bicylists are allowed on any roadway used by vehicles. There are literally thousands of high speed 2 lane highways that bicyclists legally use and would never be “warned away” from, despite the far greater safety involved. Clearly, the “safety concern” is nothing but a lame excuse. Putting up signs after the fact is a lame, lame, lame reaction that merely puts more egg on some already splattered faces. It reeks of coverup.
ISSUE #2: What was the rationale for using such brute force on the bicyclist? Was the bicyclist displaying a gun, threatening with a knife, wielding a club? Did the bicyclist look shifty, was he running away from the direction of a recent crime? Was the bicylist dressed in a trenchcoat, did he look like a championship wrestler, or horror of all horros, DID HE HAVE DARK SKIN??????? I’d really love to hear what, exactly, the police officers (2 of them, no less) will offer a jury as convincing evidence that nothing less than a potentially deadly taser shock was the only reasonable way to get this frightening situation under control? A TASER?! A TASER??!!!!!!!!! A TASER?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing I can see about Mr Orsack’s appearance fits the kind of profiles that police conveniently use as justification for taser-gunning. His picture radiates bookishness, even geekishness. A TASER?!??!??!???????????????
I’m looking back up and down the comment list right now and see several of these little 1, 2 or 3 line comments scattered about that have little substance, but are clearly throwing daggers at Mr. Orsak. It seems that these daggers boil down to (1) you just wanna sue the police, (2) you betta damn well well show the police some respect next time, or (3) did you know that some of your supporters are gay. Good grief. This is an old game, so old that I’m amazed people try it any more. Do you think the average Joe, reading this blog, even if they disagree with Mr. Orsack’s argument, will put any energy at all to leaving a comment? Doubtful, very doubtful. These negative comments are undoubtedly coming from the officer’s friends/relatives.
Of course the supportive comments are probably mostly coming from Mr. Orsack’s friends/relatives. However, there’s an important add-on segment here; it includes people like me who never even heard of this guy until now. Yes, naïve and idealistic people who simply hate the injustice that occurs in this world. People like me are usually completely non-violent, but we can get fighting mad when we come across yet another example of unfair play. Personally, taser gun use makes me see red and my eyes grow even more bloodshot every time I read an article about an innocent person dying from being tasered, as could have happened to Mr. Orsack. Expect to see growing support for Mr. Orsack from people who simply hate injustice, as this story gets into various nooks and crannies of the internet.
The Minneapolis mudslingers (maybe it’s only one) who are posting the superficial negative comments may think they’re intimidating you or muddying your character but of course that was the trick ol’ Scooter Libby and Dick Cheney tried. Does it work? Look at their current reputation! The airport police and their little friends can use any number of smear attempts against you, but if the bottom line continues to indicate:
--that it was not illegal (i.e., signed) to ride a bicycle where you were riding,
---that you have a clean police record, a nonviolent personality, lack of lawsuits in your past, etc.
--that they indisputably used a TASER on you….
Then any reasoned person is going to conclude OVERREACTION. Because the culprits in this example happen to be people with great power (police), the feeling INJUSTICE will inevitably spring forth, and that can produce a momentum that those officers will certainly come to regret that they stimulated, even if you never sue them or their organizations.
Mr. Orsack, if you cannot get a complaint on the permanent record of these 2 officers (I hope you try), the internet will do the work for you, becoming the permanent record of their sins for any future potential employment. Don’t think that employers don’t Google the names of prospective hirees before they make final hiring decisions. The police may be of the same fine character as Mr. Orsack purports to be but at the end of the day, it was them, not Mr Orsack, who decided to use the extreme violence that a taser gun creates and that is a fact that is truthful and thus worth recording widely on the internet. Prospective employers (especially including police departments) tend to steer clear from those who have created controversies, and certainly avoid people who show ANY indication of overreacting. There are applicants for every police and security position who simply don’t carry around that kind of baggage. Given the choice, the people without the baggage are nearly always the ones who get hired over the taser-toting cowboy alternative.
Taser-gunning a bicyclist who has no criminal record and was pulled over without doing anything illegal? My, my, it’s not too hard to figure out in which direction the conventional wisdom will point as to whether the taser sting was a reasoned reaction.
Persistence is essential in fighting local bullies and the injustice they perpetrate. Simply by simply making the effort to share your story, Mr. Orsack, you’ll find that more and more people like me will help you spread that story to kingdom come.
Isn’t the internet wonderful?
Best regards,
Alan Scott
http://web.mac.com/stephanorsak/iWeb/Site/injury%20photos.html
Above is the link to the PTSD claim.
Mr Orsack,
You are the cause of your problems. Although you appear to be a mild mannered, bike riding, vegan, you are actually a arrogant person.
Your arrogance is plainly evident in your "I'm saving the planet by riding a bicycle to a busy metropolian airport" attitude. I figure that less than .001% of the public rides a bike to/from the airport. The cop knew you were a nut.
I suggest you move to Europe where you can ride your bike to the airport.
Here's how you dug your own hole:
"I was not stopped in a normal way with siren and/or flashing lights"
They don't have to use a siren
"I respectfully but very firmly protested the way I was being treated."
They aren't the welcome wagon.
"I was told 'you can't ride here'. I said that I knew of no signs, and asked where it was posted. I was vaguely told that there was a sign prohibiting bikes "back there"
You argued with the cop.
"When asked for the specifics, I was told 'I'm telling you you can't ride here' and was again threatened with mace and taser."
Here again, arguing.
"I simply stood for my civil rights and asked questions."
What arrogance.
"Twice, I specifically had to tell Officer Wingate, the commanding officer, that he was being rude to me."
More arrogance.
"I did not acquiesce to the mistreatment."
Yeah, this is when they were done wasting their time on you and your bike.
You got what you deserved.
I was shocked to read your posting. I was left feeling tremendously frustrated and outraged by the injustice (and ridiculousness!) of it all and just entirely shocked by the assault.
The part that is the scariest to me is all the changing of evidence and pure fabrication of charges afterwards. There were no signs, now they've put them in. Tapes have been taped over. Violent acts were invented to justify their own unjust use of force. It seems Stephan is in a Kafka story where the strong are all in cohoots and protecting one another. It all seems too impossible.
I'm friends with Stephan's son-in-law and daughter and know Stephan too. I have always found him to be among the most calm, friendly, good-natured and peaceful people I have ever met. He brings a bike with him to the airport so he can be easier on the environment on his way home, for heaven's sake! How does this, and all the other wonderful things said about him, add up to be the picture of a violent man! I simply cannot believe that he was thrown to the ground, tased and that his glasses were broken- on purpose, none the less! These men are bullies and not by any means keepers of the peace.
I hope that real justice will be found in the case. Please let us know if there is anything else we can do.
Hi, I'm a bicycler too, and I sympathize with your experience, but I believe that you made a big problem out of a small one by not obeying the policeman - whether he was right or wrong - because at the moment he was THE authority, and he DOES have more important things to be doing than dealing with an otherwise law-abiding bicyclist who was trying, in my opinion, to "hold court" at "the crime scene". AFterwards, you could have researched the problem, and if the policeman turned out to be wrong, then you could have written a complaint to the proper authorities and dealt with it that way. Yes, the cop seems to have overreacted, but continuing to question him on the spot, did not help the matter, only worsened it. It not only ruined that particular trip for you, but seems to have had a continuing effect on you to get recourse and to stir up a hormet's nest. No one is perfect, not even cops, but it may have turned out that this cop was right in principle, but lacked tact, diplomacy, and made his profession look bad and himself even worse. Next time, I would recommend that you obey first, and question later - through the proper channels. Charleyg
Why don't you try to get a job? For all the time you have wasted on this, you could have actually be doing something productive to help society. Stop being a whiner. Stop looking for a handout.
well stated charleyg.
All the best for tomorrow! sending lots of good wishes and thoughts from england!
Let's get this absolutely straight. You were in American, specifically an American Airport and you expected some kind of civil rights? Is it April Fool's Day again?
Best of luck tomorrow and going forward.
The whole episode sounds very absurd and darklly ironic, what do you do with a classical musician on a bicycle peacefully leaving the airport? apprehend the monster then tase and mace him of course. bloody bouffons, here in chicago we've had 2 very bad cases of police brutality, one of a police assault on a young bartender, a woman, about 135 pounds getting beaten unconscious by some 250 pound garila with a badge, luckily caught on tape, i wish you the best of luck in your "civil" fight against the oldest and most uncivil form of injustice known to man Stephen. you are a very kind man, respect
sandro
I just found out about this, posted it on my blog and emailed L.O.A.B and here is there response.
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Hi Darren,
Thank you for contacting me with this terrible story. How awful! I
understand you said that the trial is tomorrow, but if its any help,
the
League of American Bicyclists has a network of lawyers who deal with
bicycling-related incidents. Please explore the page on our website at
http://www.bikeleague.org/action/bikelaws/ . Feel free to contact me
with any information or questions.
Warm Regards,
Lora Golann
Membership Assistant
League of American Bicyclists
1612 K Street, NW
Washington DC 20006
202-822-1333
Lora@bikeleague.org
When you act like a jerk and do something you *clearly* shouldn't be doing it is impossible to feel a bit sorry for you. Many bicyclists seem to think they can do whatever they want no matter how dangerous it is to them and others. Well you can't, and to the police I say "bravo", and to the judge and jury who will find you guilty in no time I say "jail time". It isn't all about *you* doing whatever you feel you want, riding your bike all over the streets and sidewalks endangering pedestrians and causing accidents. Grow up.
Read a few of these previous comments and it totally makes sense why cyclists are the target of many ignorant drivers.
As an avid cyclist who rides year round in the Twin Cities, I am outraged by the police actions on you and also by the comments certain hominids are making in this blog. I will be following your case very closely Stephan.
Stephan, dude, get a job and a CLUE! You're nothing but a whack-job looking for a payday off the backs of working tax paying citizens of MSP!
You're worthless flaming liberal.
Dear Bill: I do not own a car, so I don't know how you get "ignorant driver" from that. Bicyclists in an urban environment are a menance to EVERYONE, including themselves. Take your toys and go play with them off the public roads and sidewalks. In the meantime don't expect any sympathy from the people you annoy and injure, you selfish jerks.
check into filing for State Constitutional Violations AS THEY ARE MORE BROADER THAN FEDERAL RIGHTS....ARTICLE 78's....AND MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE STATUTORY TIME LIMITATIONS by knowing what the status of the corporate entity of the airport is
Sounds like a RICO conspiracy to suppress evidence and violation(s) of due process and equal protections and a host of criminal charges. Most likely you will have a difficult time locating an attorney to handle this properly...
Yah, we had better get the ACLU involved too.
Wow. Its amazing how many of these comments use the language of two attacking 5 year olds. "Grow up!" you say? I think some may need to heed their own advice.
Elena
Today I received a request from Russ Feingold in the US Senate to respond on how I feel about us losing our "rights" since 9/11.
I suggest calling him and asking him what you can do about this. I know all to well about the abuse from the Keepers of the Law. Not all of them are honest. A lot of them will tell tall tales to make there escapades appear more than they are and it is almost like the Cowboys and Gunslingers in the old days. They all want to be recognised for what they do. They always get away with it unless you have evidence. They coerce and threaten people to get rid of evidence. And I had the same thing happen. All of a sudden on that very moment that everyone knows is being video-taped...Wow, well oh-mi-godd that for some mysterious reason just disappeared.
Good luck to you and I think you should sue, sue, sue. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would follow and become involved.
I am very outraged at the indecent behavior of Police. When they stoop to this sort of malicious behavior it just gives them all a bad name. Won't any real honest decent human being - POLICE?- STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT????
Calmly, reasonably, resisting the orders of an officer is unwise in the extreme. The time to assert ones rights or seek redress is in court. You have a duty to obey an officers legal orders, and only a dummy would think that the time and place to contest those order's legality is on the street when a cop has decided it's time to intervene.
This isn't about "the current administration" or civil rights. It's about a self-important little shit with a chip on his shoulder who's to slow to figure out how to get by happily in life.
What do you think a polite, "yes sir, can you suggest how I can exit this area legally?" would have got you.
Yes, Ms. Viola Player, you are all greatly at risk if you decide you can tell a cop how to do his job.
Once you've shown you're not going to obey him, he has no idea how far you are willing to go to achieve that. He works everyday taking people people who disobey him off the street. If he didn't, 99.9% of the time you would be crying about him not protecting the public.
Warren Brown, USCF Category III bicyclist. Time spent in traffic on two wheels: more than you've ever spent on your viola.
Bicycles are a legitimate mode of transportation. I'd learn to ride one right now because peak oil is a reality and everyone is about to get fucked real hard.
On June 12, 2007 8:11:00 PM PDT
Anonymous said...
Bicycles are a legitimate mode of transportation. I'd learn to ride one right now because peak oil is a reality and everyone is about to get fucked real hard.
Yep, dat bad ol' peak oil gonna getcha.
I've got news for you. The population is expanding exponentially and resources are not. All your whining about cars and carbon dioxide will not delay our end by a second.
In the meantime, bike safely and don't try to tell a cop when he's through with you.
Does anyone here still have their trainig wheels? If you are not using them maybe I could borrow them from you sometime.
Maybe your attorney should consider
this federal statute:
42 USC 1983
§ 1983. Civil action for deprivation of rights
Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer’s judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.
Stephen,
Today's students can put dope in their veins or hope in their brains. If they can conceive it and believe it, they can achieve it. They must know it is not their aptitude but their attitude that will determine their altitude.
- Rev. Jesse Jackson
Steve, Your plight is the shot heard around the world. Here is a little story from my radio show.
Fighting the "Pigs"
The gambit of Giuliani's attackers is to posit a moral equivalence between criminal thugs and the police, which is simply the return of an old smear: That the police are "pigs." "A criminal is a criminal is a criminal," Sharpton yells into his bullhorn. Even former Democratic congressman Floyd Flake, a moderate and Giuliani ally who nonetheless got arrested in the protests, says, "People thought that they were getting rid of gangs and marauders, not exchanging them for new gangs of rogue cops whose salaries they pay." Robert Lederman, the artist with the Hitler fixation, maintains, "I would much rather deal with muggers than with armed police." Yeah, right.
Policing New York surely is a messy business. Outside the protest one day stood a 22-year-old black kid named Anthony, at headquarters to try to get back his bike confiscated by the police. He complains of getting rousted regularly by the cops, based on his appearance: a scraggly beard, an earring, a tough-looking leather jacket, a beeper on a chain, and jeans baggy enough for two. He earnestly explains he's never been in trouble with the law, but soon talks of getting arrested in connection with an incident during which he was stabbed ("a misunderstanding"), in connection with a murder at a party (he says the charges against him were eventually dropped), and the latest arrest (for alleged possession of drugs), in which he lost his bike.
Rev. Al Sharpton
Q: Why buy a foldy bike?
A: Cause it fits nicely in the trunk of a police crusier!
Elena: I have grown up, that's why I don't proclaim that a children's toy is a form of transportation, why I don't act like an ass when the police tell me I should stop breaking the law, and why I have enough respect for myself and my fellow citizens to calm my selfish id. People like you and Stephen can't seem to get that through your heads. He's going to have a rude awakening when he gets to court if he thinks people will have any sympathy for his plight -- the messages here should be a clue. But the sad truth is that the Judge will likely only give him a probationary sentence when he/she really should send him to jail as an example to all of you navel-gazing self-satisfied egomaniacs that think it's just dandy for you to do whatever you want whenever you want -- damn the consequences for the rest of the public, including injury and death. You people are really rotten, but keep believing that running into elderly pedestrians and causing major traffic accidents is "good" for the rest of us. Thanks. And, once again, here's hoping that Stevie gets the slammer like he so justly deserves.
He was not breaking the law, you *body part* gazing phychodramatic AM Radio listening beast of hate.
I hope you've gotten or will get a lawyer, either pro bono or otherwise, to both defend you against these absurd charges and to see what legal avenue you have to sue. As for the writers who believe that you acted badly, while to me it seems you acted appropriately, even if you hadn't police officers are trained, or should be trained, not to over-react to challenges. If they don't learn that, then they blow up like this officer did.
Steven
While my experiences to date have been good with the police, I acknowledge that there are bad apples!
Keep at it and go after these two with any legal method at your disposal. The situation deserves legal remedy!
We have a constitutional right to travel and a bicycle IS a vehicle!
"a bicycle IS a vehicle!"
It's a hobby, a sport. Bicycles on busy streets and highways are a danger and impede the flow of legitimate traffic. And you know it. You do it - because you want to be a pain in the ass.
I agree with a previous poster about your "navel gazing" attitude.
Do please show where anyone has advocated riding a bike on a highway. I implore.
"you do it because you want to be a pain in the ass".
Yup. That's the reason alright. Genius! Colon gazer.
Wait, so people are saying that they believe in the law and in following orders, etc....and yet they deny the fact that bicycles are considered a vehicle BY LAW.
Wake up!
"Do please show where anyone has advocated riding a bike on a highway. I implore."
Well that's what this wack job did!
The road that goes from Highway 5 (some think it's 494) to the Lindberg Terminal is not your normal city street.
I like the part where he says "Show me the sign that says no bicycles allowed" I bet the judge tells him there doesn't have to be a sign. I doubt wether there's a 'no skate boarding sign' either, or a 'no snowmobiling sign'.
Hope the judge throws the book at him. Plus he's wasting taxpayer dollars on this stupid trial.
While a bicycle may be a vehicle "by law" it is a toy in practice. It has no real value as transportation and it has negative value in an urban environment. Regardless of "the law" the facts are obvious to pedestrians and drivers: you people are selfish and dangerous. Further, it is quite clear, even from Stevie's biased lies, that he was on a controlled access road causing a hazzard. He needs to go down and go down hard as an example to the rest of you vile bikers that people are sick and tired of you causing accidents and problems on the roads and sidewalks. It is refreshing to see some cities *finally* banning bikes off sidewalks and other areas. Just like skateboards, rollerblades and other toys, bicycles are a nusiance and a danger to people in cars and on foot and not a serious mode of transportation regardless of the current state of "the law". It's legal to ride a horse in most places as well, but people don't do it because it's not practical. But, partly due to most of you being "students" or otherwise underemployed jerk-off musicians and "artists" you concoct these grand-sounding "missions" where you are going to save us all from ourselves by blocking traffic and knocking over people crossing the street. Well, people in cities who aren't living off daddy and mommy or otherwise clouded by drugs and juvenile notions of "showing the man" by riding a bike are *sick to death* of your behavior and I only *hope* Stevie-boy is only the first of thousands of you people being rounded up and jailed.
Limbaugh must be over, cuz here comes macmiller! What a hoot! Images of grumpy ol granpappy rockin' on the porch holding his shotty flood my mind. I wonder if he is one of the three white 50 year old angrymen driving a pickup who has hit me over the past 4 years.
One thing from his diatribe that gives me hope is that he now realizes that driving a bike on the sidewalk is against the law, thus there will be a slight chance there will be one less moron yelling at me to "ride on the &^%&*^%&^ing sidewalk", though I seriously doubt it will stop him.
The dude before him has no clue. The road into the airport is NOT a highway by any means. Once you knuckledraggers get it through their head that a bike is a legal vehicle it *might* start making sense to you. In the meantime, please quit wasting my bandwidth.
There are so many bike haters out there, if this happened to me I would call 911 and tell them I am being abused by some cops.
Well steve the pre-trial should be over by now. Hopefully you have realized how doubtfull your situation is and took the plea agreement:)
You boob....everyone knows you don't ride your bike around the airport. I ride 4 to 5,000 miles a year as a rec biker and I know where to ride and where not to ride. Keep your folder in the bag, take a cab to the "outside world" and then (and only then) start biking. It's not that tough. How about if I ride my bike in Orchestra Hall...I don't recall any signs prohibiting it. There is this thing called Common Sense...and Common Sense says that you don't ride at the airport. Maybe someday they will be more accomodating with a bike lane, but for now, use your head.
On June 13, 2007 8:41:00 AM PDT "Morons, morons, everywhere" said...
He was not breaking the law, you *body part* gazing phychodramatic AM Radio listening beast of hate.
[end quote]
By engaging in ad hominem attack instead of a rational refutation of his position, you display the shallowness of your intellect and the eagerness with which you dive into labeling, stereotyping, prejudicial bigotry.
Why is this bigotry ok when the left criticizes the right, but the converse is considered hate speech?
Whether he was breaking the law has yet to be determined. That will be properly decided in court, not by faux blog-lawyers who think they prove something when they find a statute for which they lack the education to evaluate relevance or case law.
I've carefully read the page to which these comments are attached, and find it difficult to accept that someone so self-righteous and narcissistic is capable of telling this story completely and objectively. Reading between the lines makes me strongly suspect that there is more to the story, and that there is a distinct bias built into it.
I will follow the rest of the case with great curiosity and see how an objective, properly-instructed jury balances the police reports and Steven's report.
Until that is done, this whole thread is mostly chain-yanking.
It's hard to trace because I haven't taken time to open an account, so I'm "anonymous", but I've been harshly critical of Steve's decision to ignore a police officers orders. I think I have some standing to comment because I've spent untold thousands of miles on the road on my bicycle and believe strongly that bikes have to live up to the responsibilities of being vehicle operators. Having said I think Steve is a pompous ass, the following tops that by a long shot:
On June 13, 2007 12:50:00 PM PDT
someone said...
"While a bicycle may be a vehicle "by law" it is a toy in practice. It has no real value as transportation and it has negative value in an urban environment."
Your evaluation carries little weight as long as the law is as written. Your ""'ing it indicates you think you know better. If so, demonstrate that by getting the laws changed. Until them, show some respect for the laws or you're going to end up like Steve with some nice spicy salsa in your eyes. I know you think you're anonymous and protected in your car, but wake up, the day of video phones is here and you're going to be taped and prosecuted.
No state in the nation considers bicycles anything but vehicles, vehicles that are legally limited compared to motor vehicles in terms of where and how they may travel. Bikes' value as transportation is again not for you to evaluate. Do you want the left to be telling you that they can evaluate your use of gasoline as irresponsible and legislate it away? Whether a bike has a "negative impact on the urban environment" is again not yo to make. That is up to legally-constituted city councils and other governmental bodies. If your evaluation differs from theirs, I suggest you lobby and have the laws changed. The self-righteous drivers who hate bicyclists (I've encountered many and judge you to be among them) are just as wrong as Steve in thinking it's their place to decide this. This self-righteous attitude often leads, in my experience, to car drivers deliberately endangering cyclists to try to prove a point, even on open roads where no conflicts exist. Get some therapy and discover that your life won't be ruined by having to take your foot off the gas for 4 seconds to safely pass another innocent citizen behaving within the law.
Drivers with attitudes and behaviors like this are little man-slaughterers in waiting.
"Regardless of "the law" the facts are obvious to pedestrians and drivers: you people are selfish and dangerous."
Selfish to think that they have a right to behave within the law in a manner that you've decided annoys you. Dangerous because people like you deliberately do dangerous things to them to "get even" for having been delayed by a few seconds, or to teach them a lesson "for their own good."
And again with the quotes. It _is_ the law and you may find to your detriment that you have no right to behave otherwise. I can picture you telling the cop that you "pay his salary" as he stuffs you into his cruiser.
"Further, it is quite clear, even from Stevie's biased lies, that he was on a controlled access road causing a hazzard."
After figuratively trying to take you to the woodshed, sir, I have to agree with you here. My interpretation of the reports is that the police started out trying to protect him from his own dumb self and found out he was going to commit a crime (resisting an officer).
" He needs to go down and go down hard as an example to the rest of you vile bikers that people are sick and tired of you causing accidents...."
Now you're back to your reprehensible self, establishing to any objective reader your blind hatred and bigotry. Of all the hazards you are required to avoid while operating your motor vehicle, bikes are a minor one, yet you've let them become an all-consuming obsession and display a depth of feeling and hatred that makes it seem likely to me that you have probably engaged in illegal and hazardous, intimidating behavior towards bikes.
"It is refreshing to see some cities *finally* banning bikes off sidewalks and other areas."
To my knowledge, the vast majority of municipalities have prohibited bikes on sidewalks, going back decades. The evaluations have been made and enacted into law that bikes belong on the road, not on the sidewalk. Now you're arguing for total bans on bikes, on the basis of your pathological obsession over them. Again, do you really think government should insert itself into personal decisions like bike-riding? You'll open yourself up to government deciding what kind of car you can drive.
"Just like skateboards, rollerblades and other toys, bicycles are a nusiance and a danger to people in cars and on foot and not a serious mode of transportation regardless of the current state of "the law"."
Most states have moved, more recently, to also class rollerblades as vehicles. The political decision was made that enough people want to use them that it should be allowed, but that the blade/pedestrian interaction presents more hazard than the blade/road/car interaction. Most rollerbladers are smart enough to exercise that legal right only on suitable, less trafficked roads. Those that decide to take it upon themselves to exercise their right irresponsibly should end up exactly where I hope Steve is heading.
Most commonly, skateboards and scooters _are_regulated as toys, based on community assessments that they present to great a hazard and too little benefit; also that they are commonly used by children, whom the community has a duty to protect. But I forget, you're saying that _you_ get to decide what vehicles can be used on the street and which cannot.
"underemployed jerk-off musicians and "artists" you concoct these grand-sounding "missions" "
More hatred and bigotry. I'm highly-employed professional and a right-winger. There's no way you can know who I am based on the simple observation that I might be on a bike.
"Well, people in cities who aren't living off daddy and mommy or otherwise clouded by drugs and juvenile notions of "showing the man" by riding a bike are *sick to death* of your behavior"
You try to justify your obsession by assigning your opinion, with no basis, to thousands/millions you don't know at all. I'd bet that an objective poll would establish that you are on the lunatic fringe.
"I only *hope* Stevie-boy is only the first of thousands of you people being rounded up and jailed."
Should ve make them were ze yellow badge, yah?
Here you show that your obsession goes well beyond the eccentric and enters the delusional. Change the law, if you can, and enforce it. Until them, you've appointed yourself a mini-dictator, who I'll say again, has most likely already committed crimes of violence with your car against people for simply riding their bikes.
I'm serious about getting treatment. Based on your writing, I'd suspect that a professional might find you a danger to the community. You know, kind of like Cho Sun-Huie (spelling?). Stop before you really hurt someone.
On June 13, 2007 1:52:00 PM PDT Anonymous said...
"There are so many bike haters out there, if this happened to me I would call 911 and tell them I am being abused by some cops."
And they would send out some backup to assist the officers you were resisting.
Stupid git.
(See nearby posts where I have made it clear that Steve is quite the mental midget as well. Ignorance is clearly well distributed among bikers and bike-haters as well.
Quote:
"How about if I ride my bike in Orchestra Hall...I don't recall any signs prohibiting it."
I remember in debate class the difficulty of taking the other side in an argument, but this takes the cake. Associating riding a bike on a 30mph road (or "Highway" to some of the morons on this blog) with riding in Orchestra Hall? Seriously, we'll let you take this back!
(I cant believe someone spent so much time ripping apart crazy ol macmiller's ramblings!)
I feel blessed to live in a town where, everyday as I bike to and from work, I am greeted cheerfully by police officers, municipal workers, joggers, and others who wave back and smile. I am so blessed to have this bike, an essential gift from dear friends, that transports me to the job that is meaningful to me. It's an exhilerating meditation that has made me so much more alert to my surroundings -I could tell you so much about the 3 miles of road, houses, and beings I pass and greet.
Safe cycling, love, and peace,
Molly
"No state in the nation considers bicycles anything but vehicles, vehicles that are legally limited compared to motor vehicles in terms of where and how they may travel. Bikes' value as transportation is again not for you to evaluate. "
I completely understand people riding bikes on trails and bike paths - as a sport, adventure, etc.
However, you fem's who boldly bike on major streets or highways, that think you are equal to an SUV or auto, are sadly mistanken. Due to a flaw in our laws, you are a protected species.
Bicycles are toys. The dope smokers in Europe (Netherlands, Denmark, etc) just love 'em. Mainly because they are socialists, and the 'government' supports their lazy life style. They don't have to go anywhere very quickly, nor are they concerned about productivity. Furthermore, since they don't use deodorant, nobody can tell they stink, from peddling their ass to work.
The automobile has been the greatest invention to build economies, and equalize opportunity.
You cyclists are a pain in the ass, and you know it!
On June 13, 2007 5:39:00 PM PDT Anonymous said...
Quote:
(I cant believe someone spent so much time ripping apart crazy ol macmiller's ramblings!) Unquote.
Sorry, haven't been around here long enough to know he was "crazy ol macmiller". Won't waste more time on him, thanks for the tip.
Molly Garvey & her pink bike said...
I feel blessed to live in a town where, everyday as I bike to and from work, I am greeted cheerfully by police officers, municipal workers, joggers,[etc]
Molly: Hugs and kisses from a complete stranger. I used to have a pink custom Mike Appel race bike - actually a prototype he built for himself and was kind enough to sell me after I rode one of his production bikes into a brick wall (racing).
I've been maddened here by the combination of riders who can't seem to comprehend how unwise it is to disobey an officer, no matter how right they are, and the other wing that basically says, I'm going to run over any bike that gets in the way.
Please, those of you who are so adamant about [our] cycling rights, remember what my parents taught me when I learned to drive a car - being correct about right of way doesn't help much when you get crunched by a 2 ton piece of steel that disagrees, no matter how wrong he is. Don't be so single-minded that your insistence on your rights gets you killed.
Molly, thanks for reminding us of the joy that is bicycling.
(Cheeze, grouchy old codger getting misty-eyed).
To say that a bike has no real value as transportation is just ignorant, macmiller. I save $10 a week in commuting to work alone, not to mention, pounds of carbon dioxide that others would eventually breathe. That just scratches the surface of its value... it's priceless! It saved my life.
Best of luck with your case against Officer Wingnut! May the law be on your side... you have positive energy coming from Corvallis, ORE, a city of many cyclists!
No news about the pre-trial yesterday? I hope you didn't walk in there without a lawyer. If so, I can only imagine how badly things might have gone. You have built up quite a case but I don't think the judge is going to want to hear half of it. You need someone who knows what works and what doesn't in a courtroom. I agree with most of what you have to say, but it is just one side of the story and you are not going to win anyone over to your way of thinking. Our judicial system is not about liberty and justice for all. The best you can hope for is a nol pross or a stet or at least a PBJ (which is a guilty but suspended which you can later have expunged) and then get the hell out of there.
Good luck.
Now, now folks. Name calling never solved anything. Besides you can't reason with the uneducated, cross-eyed, slack-jawed, extra chromosome-carrying, pick up truck-drivin', gun-totin', George W. Bush-votin' citizens who live among us (mostly in trailers).
No, they're not just in trailer parks any more. They have emerged and are spreading like bacteria; geometrically multiplying and infesting every neighborhood. Is that a Cadillac Escalade I see in the driveway next door? hmmmmm
p.s. You forgot to include "flag-wavin' redneck."
p.p.s and "Old Milwaukee-drinkin'." (Or perhaps Pabst Blue Ribbon --- Do they still make that?)
this whole story is some sick, twisted stuff.
i, too, am curious to learn what, if anything, happened after the preliminary hearing.
if these hearings are like they are here, nothing happens.
but in your case, since the issue is "was a crime committed?" there SHOULD have been some serious deliberation taking place.
Dear "Anonymous": If you had bothered to read any of my comments other than superficially you would have noted that I do not own or operate a car. I walk, ride the bus, and ride the train. So your sick fantasy regarding me running over bicyclists is just that; a sick fantasy of your own making. This is a perfect example of the holier-than-thou attitude that you bikers have, "you're a polluter and a manslaughterer!!" As I've now said a half dozen times: GROW UP. The rest of us manage not to allow our hobbies to killand maim citizens that are trying to get to work on the roads. Bikes are toys and everyone, including you, knows that it is true. Bikes can never be the answer to cleaning the air and providing transport, the problem isn't solved by bikes. Bikes are for selfish and immature people that think they know better than everyone else and get offended and call people murderers when it pointed out what a hazzard they are. And, as it happen, I am looking to change the laws. I part of the group that lobbied San Franscisco to ban bikes on sidewalks, insist on special regulations for those thugs known as bike messengers, and this exchange with you crazed and hateful people on this forum has further encoraged me to start a nationwide campaign to get bikes banned off of all public streets in urban areas. If you think there aren't MILLIONS of pedestrians and drivers who will gladly support that position, then you need to wake up. I'm meeting with some local authorities tomorrow and I plan to file the non-profit organizational papers in the next few days and announce the formation of this group to rid the cities of the USA of this deadly menace once and for all. If you think the campaign against skateboards was easy, just wait until you see how many people support kicking you bike thugs off the urban landscape.
To the idiot who posted the following comment:
"It is unfortunate that your behavior has caused you to spur an angry rage against others that are simply trying to do their job to the best they can. As was reiterated before, you SHOULD NOT have been riding a bike on the roadway- as an "experienced cyclist
" that you are, you should have known better. If an officer tells you to "STOP", then STOP! If someone was disrespecting you trying to do your job, you'd get a little irritated too! The Airport Police are excellent officers- they deal with highly publicized situations with great tact. Learn your lesson, swallow your pride, and move on."
Airport rent-a-cops do not MAKE the laws, they ENFORCE the laws. IF there is no law to enforce, they have no power to make one up on the spot. The courts and legislature MAKE the laws. The rent-a-cops ENFORCE the laws.
If a cop were to tell me to stop doing something that I lawfully have the right to do, I will not bow down to their wishes.
Tell me, if a cop came to your house and told you to STOP watching TV, what the hell are you going to do? STOP just because some half-rate cop tells you to STOP??? Hell no you are not. You are going to get up and kick the guy's ass.
I would fight this tooth and nail. What this rent-a-cop did is totally wrong.
Again, to the idiot who posted the above quote, if a rent-a-cop tells you to STOP doing what you are lawfully allowed to do are you going to shut up and swallow your pride? Ha ha, I sure hope not. If you are, then the term "civil liberties" must mean nothing to you. Wait until you are beat up by some fat-ass cop on a power trip.
Let me guess, when a cop beats a black man on national TV this is okay??? Yea, that is what I thought!
crazy ol man macmillan said :
"The rest of us manage not to allow our hobbies to killand maim citizens that are trying to get to work on the roads."
I've seen or heard of exactly 0 cyclists who have "killed or maimed" someone "on the road" going to work. How about you, macmillan, how many have you seen?
Greetings, friends and detractors,
Just a quick update on yesterday's pre-hearing. It was just another formality and part of the screening process. No offers to report, the trial is simply scheduled to proceed in July as planned. Updates will be posted on the upper right corner of the blog.
A large part of the world uses bicycles as primary transit. It works exceptionally well. We are talking about working women and men, families with children, people running errands, etc. It includes everybody from the British Royal family to coffee growers in Rwanda. Perhaps the critics should consider what would happen to the Twin Cities rush hour if everybody who now uses a bike drove an SUV instead. Would you want the added congestion? Something to think about...
Cheers, Stephan
On June 14, 2007 7:13:00 AM PDT, anonymous said:
"If a cop were to tell me to stop doing something that I lawfully have the right to do, I will not bow down to their wishes."
And you will get maced and hauled off to face resisting charges. They're not "wishes", they legally presumed to be lawful commands until you prove otherwise. The only proper forum for that is a court, not a street.
"Tell me, if a cop came to your house and told you to STOP watching TV, what the hell are you going to do? STOP just because some half-rate cop tells you to STOP???"
No reasonable person would ever expect that your example is worth considering. You've resorted to the absurd and displayed your lack of reason. On the other hand, it would be reasonable to expect a cop to come to your door and turn down your TV if your neighbors have been calling and complaining that you're creating a public nuisance. In this case, a reasonable person _would_ turn it down, or face a noise ticket.
"Hell no you are not. You are going to get up and kick the guy's ass."
Now you're talking about felony battery to an officer. Your idea of reasonable behavior may someday end up with you getting a long time to consider what is really reasonable, at the people's expense in a nice facility of their choosing.
"I would fight this tooth and nail. What this rent-a-cop did is totally wrong."
If one has truly been wronged, then yes, fight tooth and nail, but do it in court and by the centuries-old traditions of jurisprudence we all live under.
"Again, to the idiot who posted the above quote, if a rent-a-cop tells you to STOP doing what you are lawfully allowed to do are you going to shut up and swallow your pride?"
A wise person _would_ swallow his pride ans save his battle for an appropriate forum (court). Pride goeth before a fall, and if you really believe/behave as you're posting, you'll end up falling hard someday.
"Ha ha, I sure hope not. If you are, then the term "civil liberties" must mean nothing to you."
Civil liberties are to be protected by street combat with the police? In the extreme (ala 1776) I'll agree, but you risk life and liberty to attempt that approach. I don't think you'll muster much support, and I pity you when you march on the bastions alone.
If your civil liberties are truly threatened, then there are time-honored means to seek redress. Work within the system. If the system is responsible for the wrong, then act in the tradition of peaceful civil disobedience. If there's such a huge problem that you're ready to resort to combat, I'm sure you'll get thousands of volunteers to sit in with you.
Do you see them lining up behind you?
there is a common thread throughout these officers lives (and many policemen in general) that's based on old values and brutal stupid machismo. these officers can only look at someone like you with contempt because you represent new ideas and progress and they are too weak and too ignorant to understand who you are what you're doing so one of them snapped and assualted you. this is the culture of people who become police officers. the standards need to be changed. it shouldn't be so easy to become a cop.
I've noticed that when some officers try and intimidate someone by their position (get off the road!), and it that isn't immediately successful, then they often escalate the situation because they are incapable of admitting that they could have been mistaken in giving the order they gave.
Ben - bike commuter
Thanks for sharing your case, Mr. Orsak. It has made me rethink some interesting life-issues.
(BTW, I was once in a very similar situation-gone-wrong, and I blamed others for years. It has been good to see my own contributions to the way things went.)
Has this story not reached the news? If it has, or if it hasn't and it does, would you link some stories pls?
It's not that I don't trust you, but reading your claims in a published mainstream (if local) outlet, along with a quote from the police about how the evidence was "zapped because it didn't have anything," would be convincing to a lot more people, and would help if you ever decide to take donations for a legal fund, which I'd like to contribute to.
Also, IMHO, it would be better for your case in the court of public opinion (which always matters) if you kept to the facts and also avoided the likes of those who criticize police in general in your comment section. What I mean about "the facts," for example, is that the fact one of the reasons you cycle is because you don't want to hurt the environment has nothing to do with the case at hand, and comments or associating in any way with people who don't like cops in general can't be helpful either. Obviously this is just my own personal opinion, but I'd like to see redneck cowboys who drive trucks symphathize with your case, too, and indeed, at the end of the day it's a case about how the Bill of Rights (long may it live) was ignored and about government corruption (the disappearing evidence).
I read the police report, specifically the part about the signs stating "NO PEDS BY ORDER OF AIRPORT POLICE".
Bicycles are classified as vehicles in all 50 states, so an order of no pedesrians would not apply to a cyclists operating a bicycle legally.
The cops cannot just make up law as they go along.
Personally, I would have just complied with their orders until they were out of sight, and then continued on with what I was doing beforehand.
As for macmiller, did someone on a bicycle run over your toes or something? Bicycles are a great way to get around in an urban environment. Every time I ride over the I-35 freeway here in Austin, Texas, and see all the cars stacked up in rush hour traffic, I think to myself, those people sure must be glad that there is not one more car on the freeway!
Thankfully, the city planners in my town have recognized that the bicycle is a legitimate form of transportation and provided bike routes that will actually get you places.
Ironically, I am currently hosting a cyclist from Chicago who is in town for a bicycling educators' conference. He has a foldy bike, and he rode it from the Austin-Bergstrom Internationl Airport to my residence, which is about 10 miles.
Well, had this been a civil disobidience sit in all the police should have done, at the most, was to carry the culprit away. No tasing... maybe some mace ;)
Even if mr. Orsak , a usually calm person, somehow unloaded his carefully hidden frustrations in a verbaly abusive manner i sincerly doubt he had supreme fighting skills (based on statistical probability, i dont know) or that a sudden adrenalin rush made him impossible to pacify without the use of a taser. Especially so for profesionals. Abstracting from the issue whether he was "right". His misconduct, if any, is pale in comparison to the abuse of power and blunt incompetence of the law enforcers.
Threatening with the use of a taser in a way to which both parties agreed to was plain wrong.
Im not sure if mr. orsak belonged on that road although it seems he had every right to be there, however I am sure that the leading officer does not belong in the police force. Actually i cant think of a place he belongs. Picturing that kind of personality as a jailwarden is a true nightmare. Even if the officer was having a terrible day that is completely unaceptable.
Thumbs up Mr. Orsak!!!
Yow. Blog rage!
Differing opinions are what keep America going strong.
Namecalling, might make for good TV and blog excitement, but that never holds up in court.
I am sure Mr Orsak has his ducks in a row and refrains from using labels and stereotypes.
The question is not whether he should have resisted, but in how the situation was handled.
Yes, cops are exposed to extreme danger 24/7 by all kinds of nut-jobs and thugs.
But if Mr Orsak was not acting in any threatening manner whatsoever, then the police's response level was clearly disproportionate.
What if a waiter tasered a diner for running off without paying the bill? What if a bartender tasered you for dumping your beer and falling off the barstool?
Does the principal taser a truant for cutting school? Something to think about.
On June 14, 2007 1:07:00 PM PDT Anonymous said...
"there is a common thread throughout these officers lives (and many policemen in general) that's based on old values and brutal stupid machismo. these officers can only look at someone like you with contempt because you represent new ideas and progress and they are too weak and too ignorant to understand who you are what you're doing so one of them snapped and assualted you. this is the culture of people who become police officers. the standards need to be changed. it shouldn't be so easy to become a cop."
Typical example of left wing bigotry. You know everything about all cops because they're cops? Absolutely prejudiced. Would you tolerate a statement like "it's a common thread amongst these [blacks, italians, irish, poor people] that they only have contempt for our refined way of life and they'll just resort to anything to get back at us."
You'll change your tune when you're crying desperately for 911 to hurry up while you're getting car-jacked or mugged.
If you're so superior, why don't you improve the quality of your local force and sign up?
on June 14, 2007 2:09:00 PM PDT Ben the bike commuter said...
"I've noticed that when some officers try and intimidate someone by their position (get off the road!), and it that isn't immediately successful, then they often escalate the situation because they are incapable of admitting that they could have been mistaken in giving the order they gave."
So if a police order is disobeyed, it was given mistakenly?
I'm sure your local PD allows public review of its training documents. You should look up "force continuum". If an order is disobeyed, it WILL result in escalation, not because their egos have been deflated by your superior intellect, but because by disobeying, you put yourself into the class of people they spend all day taking off the streets. You'd be whining about crime in the streets if they didn't.
They're generally practiced enough that they're not going to start a confrontation and, faced with resistance, deduce that they must not know what they're doing. Faced with resistance they are going to take you in, one way or another. The level of escalation is entirely up to you. If you're convinced you're right, the responsible thing to do is comply with their orders and seek redress later in the appropriate forum.
What are you, like 16?
-Bike commuter and racer, sensible enough not to get his ass tased for being a dumbass.
Isn't it funny how people who just want to get along and be left alone can get hassled so much by those in power? I see these things is so many areas of life. In terms of cops? There are many cops who desire only to be good public servants. But lets not be naive. Many become ego maniacal little Hitlers who demand absolute subordination from everybody and everything. To the former group? I say, thank you for your selfless service. To the latter? You cause far many more problems than you solve. Why don't you get a job with Blackwater and head off to Iraq?
On June 14, 2007 3:34:00 PM PDT Anonymous said...
"Even if mr. Orsak , a usually calm person, somehow unloaded his carefully hidden frustrations in a verbaly abusive manner i sincerly doubt he had supreme fighting skills (based on statistical probability, i dont know) or that a sudden adrenalin rush made him impossible to pacify without the use of a taser."
With the availability of tools like the taser and pepper spray, police forces have moved, deliberately, openly and within the review of local government to take advantage of them. In the past a resisting person quite often meant a hurt cop, with medical bills, unemployment comp and disability. They're not out there to get hurt, and those of us who appreciate their necessary role in our society don't want them hurt either.
Those cops had absolutely no way to know what this guys capabilities were. Small stature means nothing, these cops face monsters who'll pull a knife out of their belt at a moments notice. As long as you respect their authority and the job they're trying to do (which is often trying to protect dumbasses from themselves), they will treat you like a citizen.
As soon as you start resisting in any way, they can no longer safely assume that you are going to act reasonably; they _have_ to protect themselves. Lethal fights start with a refusal to obey a verbal command, once you've refused, you open that entire spectrum of possibilities up.
More and more, departments are going to the taser because it results in less harm to the suspect than any other option. Pepper spray takes a long time to wear off. Once you comply and they turn the taser off, you'll feel better immediately. But then you wouldn't have had to worry about that if you'd been smart enough to listen to them in the first place, would you?
Accusations of abuse of power are trivial to bandy about by someone who wasn't there and is ignorant of police procedure. If you're correct the truth will out eventually. Your assessment of his fitness for the force is meaningless unless you sit on the police/fire commission (if that's what they call it in your locality).
The cop probably wasn't having too bad a day until he ran into a nutjob who thought he could interpret the law and his duty to him, and made him use force. Or do you just assume that anyone in a position of authority is a neanderthal who lives to hurt people?
Dumbass.
Some of these posts cause me concern. Someone implied that if we expect cops to come to our aid if we are "carjacked or mugged" we must subordinate ourselves when we are being unjustly harassed.
When a policeman protects the public, he/she is doing the job he/she was hired to perform. When the same policeman harasses a biker? Uh, really, people, its a different story. That kind of meglamaniacal behavior MUST be resisted by a freedom-loving people!
On June 14, 2007 4:58:00 PM PDT
Barry said...
"But if Mr Orsak was not acting in any threatening manner whatsoever, then the police's response level was clearly disproportionate."
Mr. Orsak's decision to refuse to comply with verbal commands made it necessary for the cops to respond as if he was willing to escalate in his disobedience. Day in, Day out across the nation, cops get hurt in situations that start with verbal disobedience and escalate unpredictably as far as lethal force.
"What if a waiter tasered a diner for running off without paying the bill? What if a bartender tasered you for dumping your beer and falling off the barstool?"
They would be cited for assault. There's no comparison.
If cops are so irresponsible, I suggest you never EVER call 911. You can take care of yourself, right?
On June 14, 2007 6:17:00 PM PDT biker said...
"But lets not be naive. Many become ego maniacal little Hitlers who demand absolute subordination from everybody and everything."
O sweet cheebus on a pogo stick, another hitler reference. Yes, those outofcontrol cops are going to jam you into the crematorium for opposing their will.
" To the former group? I say, thank you for your selfless service. "
Thanks for a small dose of reality.
"To the latter? You cause far many more problems than you solve. Why don't you get a job with Blackwater and head off to Iraq?"
Generalize and stereotype. Rampant bigotry is permitted from those of you who are so smart that YOU can see the TRUTH.
On June 14, 2007 6:23:00 PM PD Anonymous said...
"Some of these posts cause me concern. Someone implied that if we expect cops to come to our aid if we are "carjacked or mugged" we must subordinate ourselves when we are being unjustly harassed."
Uh, you better if you don't want to get tased. If your treatment is truly unjust go to court, you'll probably be able to live handsomely off of your settlement.
"When a policeman protects the public, he/she is doing the job he/she was hired to perform. When the same policeman harasses a biker? Uh, really, people, its a different story."
Whether it was harassment hasn't been decided yet. We have mostly statements from one side. I'll say it again, even if the cop is egregiously wrong, only an idiot is going to try to settle the matter there. Even if you manage to fight off one cop and a trainee, backup is going to come and you WILL be placed under control, one way or another. Comply peacefully and save the tussles for court where they belong.
I'm a lifelong bicyclist and I'm becoming more and more astounded by the sample of the biking community represented here that have so little sense. If you're so smart, prove it by not provoking a situation that WILL result in you getting your ass kicked (figuratively, tased more likely).
I'm also astounded by the ease with which people here jump to bigoted, uninformed conclusions. You don't know that cop's mind, so don't stereotype him.
"That kind of meglamaniacal behavior MUST be resisted by a freedom-loving people!"
If you love freedom, I suggest you participate in the social contract that provides it to you. Live within the law and legal expectations placed on you by your society. If you're right in your clairvoyant assessment of the cops motivations, then, yes you must resist it. I suggest you do so by legal means. That way you help everybody out and you don't also end up face down on the concrete in the purty bracelets.
Obviously, sending all my support to Stephan. This guy is unique and has a lot in him to add to what's known as "culture" on this planet. I loved playing music with him, talking to him etc etc.
To people who are writing offensive remarks here: perhaps "culture" has not touched your lives. Very sorry about that. Perhaps you could go and hear Stephan play some time.
To those who think Stephan should get a "real job": If you truly believe that, then you have never been a professional musician. (By the way, "professional musician" is a profession, not a hobby).
By the way, I would have complied with the police, because I would have been scared. Here is someone who weighs less than I and was not afraid to stand up to this (clear) injustice.
Stay strong.
Anatoly ("professional musician"), who bikes
Wow. Stephan, please fight this. I'm in utter disbelief reading this and wonder "Could this really have happened?" I commute to work everyday by bike, including riding on state highways, and I'm utterly afraid that the cops could have treated you in this manner. I hope you're recovering fine from this traumatic experience.
I came across your blog, because I was planning to bike to the airport tomorrow for a day trip. I know that biking on Minnesota state highways is completely legal as I do it everyday on my commute to work (Minn. Stat. 169.222, Subd. 1 and 169.305, Subd. 1c), but when I visited the mspairport.com website this evening to see where I could park my bike at the Lindberg terminal, my eyebrows raised when I saw that "bikes are prohibited from using the parking ramp". What?! Did MAC actually follow through with Minn. Stat. 169.222, Subd. 1 and specifically ban bikes at the airport by going through the commissioner? If so, why did the commissioner agree with their request? This sounds inane!
After you are acquitted of all charges, I want to be part of a class-action lawsuit against the MAC for prohibiting cyclists from bringing a legal vehicle (a bicycle) to the airport. If a cyclist is willing to pay to park a bike in the ramp, you'd think MAC would be excited to fit 5 bikes in one parking stall and make 5 times the revenue a car could bring them?! What's wrong with the logic here? Don't tell me bikes will slow the cashiers down. Thanks to the ticketless/credit card parking in MSP's ramps, there's always about 10 tellers wide open whenever I leave.
Brad
are you planning a counter-suit? I can't imagine that being carried away in an ambulence didn't rob you of a few gigs. And this story in general is tragic to say the least.
You should be honored for clean transportation, not persecuted. My heart goes out to you.
This gross mistreatment of Stephan is a sad and telling state of law enforcement. I don't believe Stephan to be antagonist or disrespectful in any fashion and to have elicited this treatment during a routine part of life is completely out of line. Civil rights- Stephans and ours- need to be respected and I appriciate the stance being taken.
On June 15, 2007 8:09:00 AM PDT aj said...
"This gross mistreatment of Stephan is a sad and telling state of law enforcement. I don't believe Stephan to be antagonist or disrespectful in any fashion and to have elicited this treatment during a routine part of life is completely out of line. Civil rights- Stephans and ours- need to be respected and I appriciate the stance being taken."
He was clearly disrespectful in that he refused verbal commands from a sworn officer. He elicited the rest of the encounter by continuing to disobey despite being given several opportunities to comply. The officers were "in line" with their training when they were forced to contend with an individual who didn't think he needed to listen to them.
I'll say it a thousand times, if there was truly a violation of civil rights (yet to be determined), the wise response, individually and for the sake of every other member of our community, is to defend those rights in the proper venue. If he was truly wronged, he could get those cops fired and prevent future threats to other cyclists. By taking it upon himself to try to show the cops they were wrong then and there, he most likely squandered that opportunity. Even if he was correct that he shouldn't have been ordered off the road, the courts and juries are going to focus on the resisting charges and his core issue will be completely overshadowed.
Rosa Parks submitted to police orders and won a landmark case. If she had fought back then and there, her only place in history would have been a footnote in a police blotter.
If you think it sad and telling that the police will arrest and sanction those who disobey them, then you've got a lot to learn about the society you live in.
On June 14, 2007 9:48:00 PM PDT Anonymous said...
"You should be honored for clean transportation, not persecuted. My heart goes out to you."
His choice of transportation does not relieve him of his duty to comply with the rules and laws of a civilized society. Persecution is when someone is penalized for what they believe. Prosecution happens when one breaks the law. Steven is being prosecuted for resisting arrest, which in his report here he admits. If he's truly being persecuted for riding his bike, he could have corrected that for everyone if he had acted responsibly. Instead, he made the issue of cycling rights, in this case, completely moot.
Most likely, we'll hear a decision along the lines of, yes, he was correct that he could ride there. Unfortunately, he did resist, and the sentence is....
Going back and proving that the start of the incident was improper will not be grounds to appeal the core issue of resisting.
On June 14, 2007 9:39:00 PM PDT Schwie said...
" After you are acquitted of all charges...."
In his report, his own description of his behavior constitutes an admission that he resisted. If this goes to court, it's quite likely that this will be admitted as evidence.
He has compounded his lack of wisdom in deciding to resist with an extremely unwise violation of the most basic rule of defending oneself in a criminal case. You keep your damn mouth shut and let a pro speak for you.
He could have an IQ of 200 and have memorized the municipal codes and state statutes, but without the common sense to know that legal issues aren't decided in the street, he's pretty much cooked his own goose.
Orsack said: "A large part of the world uses bicycles as primary transit. It works exceptionally well. We are talking about working women and men, families with children, people running errands, etc."
These are socialist and/or third world countries. They have little concern for productivity. The GDP of the United States is huge. That's because we don't waste our time using toys for transportation. I'm not even going to bring up the logical arguement about inclement weather (ice, snow, extreme heat or cold). Your solution falls apart quite quickly.
Check out this map of GDP's:
http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/131-us-states-renamed-for-countries-with-similar-gdps/
Orsack continues: "Perhaps the critics should consider what would happen to the Twin Cities rush hour if everybody who now uses a bike drove an SUV instead."
If you are speaking of real wage earners who support a family, and not students. Then I'd say that there might be another 100 cars on the road.
As a Canadian, an environmentalist and a human rights advocate, this story is mind boggling. My friends in the states have been trying to convince me to go visit them for years, and I keep telling them that I can't put money into that economy, thus supporting the current administration. How shocking and frightening that human beings are treated this way, that you were abused for riding your bike. The actions taken by the police were clearly wrong. The force taken was obviously unnecessary. This is yet another moment in which I am so happy to be Canadian. To all you lovely peaceful vegan environmentalist cyclists, MOVE TO CANADA! We have lots of space, are underpopulated and have a lovely charter of rights and freedoms. Come on up!
Are you going to file civil rights lawsuit? I think you should! I'm so sorry this happened to you. It must have been really scary.
On June 15, 2007 9:56:00 AM PDT Anonymous said...
"To all you lovely peaceful vegan environmentalist cyclists, MOVE TO CANADA! We have lots of space, are underpopulated and have a lovely charter of rights and freedoms. Come on up!"
Just forget about that pesky 2nd amendment and leave your guns behind...
Are meat-eating cyclist target shooters welcome too?
Is your system more sovereign/subject or citizen/representative? How does the charter work compared to the bill of rights? My impression is that the charter is a grant of rights from the sovereign to the subject, while the bill of rights is more of an enumeration of things the government can't take away. Not to mention the nifty one that says, just because it isn't listed here, doesn't rule it out. (the 9th IIRC)
Out of true curiosity, can a vegan muster the kind of metabolism necessary to compete in cycling? I know I felt I needed more protein that I could get out of non-meat sources.
Interesting how the comments have over the days tended to side with the police.
As a foreigner living in a foreign country but familiar with the US and many other countries, first, second and third world, I concur with the opinion that the only way to deal with any armed authority in any semi-civilized country is to obey politely. Once you have made clear that you are obeying and the armed authority relaxes and gives an opening, you may try (respectfully) to argue your case.
Anything else is asking for trouble.
This should be the only argument here. Americans are very lucky to have the resources and law system to be able to argue this kind of case in a court of law.
It is sad to read as well so many ignorant comments about European countries. Holland and Denmark are populated by people with very strong work ethic, just go there, the places are spotless, GDP per capita is not that far from the US.
They do like bicycles and windmills, but that's just because they want to lessen their dependence on the arabs, which is not that stupid...
A Canadian writes: "I am so happy to be Canadian. To all you lovely peaceful vegan environmentalist cyclists, MOVE TO CANADA! We have lots of space, are underpopulated "
I'm happy you are a Canadian also. I wish all bike riding vegans would move to Canada also. You are underpopulated cause nobody wants to live there.
A European? writes: "They (Holland and Denmark)do like bicycles and windmills, but that's just because they want to lessen their dependence on the arabs, which is not that stupid... "
They have no army, no navy, no airforce, at least of any worth. They are completely dependent upon the US. If some petty dictator decides to do what Hitler did - these countries will once again be occupided, and be 100% dependent on the US to bail their ass out of a war. If there is a next time, I'm in favor of giving your 'peacful' nation states to the dictator. The hell with you wimps!
Actually the Arabs are in your countries, and are breeding like rabbits. There won't be any more Europe in 50 yrs.
an anonymous post on june 15 takes us into a deeply disturbing myopia. this country's concern with "productivity" is responsible for a disproportionate share of the climate destruction on this planet. our hunger for more and more "stuff" leads countries like china to gear up to fill that hunger (and emulate our ravenous consumer/driver model)--with even more catastrophic climate results looming.
the U.S. shares this earth with a lot of other countries full of people, and rapidly dwindling numbers of varieties of plants and animals. the implicit attitude that the planet was given to us "americans" to use up as we please, and that faster is always better, are a couple of the ideas that sicken our society. and our obesity epidemic alone is reason enough to encourage bike riding.
if everyone "wasted" a little time riding a bike to work (when the weather allows?), we might actually appreciate our usual convenient modes of transit, indeed, our luxurious (by world standards) lifestyles in this country--instead of clinging to the arrogant "i'm entitled to all this" attitude a sadly large number of us have.
but really, all this talk by anonymous and by me is beside the point of civil rights and due process and having the "punishment fit the crime".
some of the posts that disagree with stephan have some thought behind them and perhaps some merit. but a large number of the "anti" voices seem to have something speaking from between the lines, "well, he's white and he's male so i can't hate him...wait a minute...he's an artist and a bike rider who thinks differently than i do--i'm good to go!!"
joanna says: "this country's concern with "productivity" is responsible for a disproportionate share of the climate destruction on this planet. our hunger for more and more "stuff" leads countries like china to gear up to fill that hunger (and emulate our ravenous consumer/driver model)--with even more catastrophic climate results looming."
Understand Joanna, that in the 1000 AD range the Vikings lived the MWP (medieval warming period). This warming period enabled them to travel by boat to Greenland and probably Canada and America.
Scientists have closely documented 21,000 year ice age cycles. The ice age will come again.
joanna continues: "the U.S. shares this earth with a lot of other countries full of people, and rapidly dwindling numbers of varieties of plants and animals. the implicit attitude that the planet was given to us "americans" to use up as we please, and that faster is always better, are a couple of the ideas that sicken our society. and our obesity epidemic alone is reason enough to encourage bike riding."
Since 1900 the average age of mortality has doubled. The advent of the car has done more to increase wealth and productivity than any other invention in the history of the world. Yet you claim we are "going to hell"
This sounds exactly like the ZPG (zero population growth) scenario from the 60's.
It's my guess that you liberals are so self centered, and rightous, that you have no logical thought in your head. Just emotion. You say the dumbest things without any logical arguement behind them.
So let's all save the world by riding a stupid ass bicycle.
FYI-
These cops were not rent-a-cops (security guards). They have completed all training required for any other city, state, highway patrol police officer etc....
Also, I am a waitress and I would love to tase people that walk out on checks. Just because someone thinks its funny, I get stuck with their dinner bill... I have the same advice for these dine-and-dashers that I do for Stephen...Take some responsibility for your own actions
Mr Anonymous writes
They [Holland and Denmark]have no army, no navy, no airforce, at least of any worth. They are completely dependent upon the US. If some petty dictator decides to do what Hitler did - these countries will once again be occupied, and be 100% dependent on the US to bail their ass out of a war. If there is a next time, I'm in favor of giving your 'peaceful' nation states to the dictator. The hell with you wimps!
Actually the Arabs are in your countries, and are breeding like rabbits. There won't be any more Europe in 50 yrs.
I do not think the situation in Europe or the US is all that different. Europeans have been killing each other for centuries and they have tried at last to do things differently. They also live in more densely populated areas where a high per-head energy consumption would generate too much pollution.
If you take away these factors, the re is no real difference. There are moslems in Europe, but also in the US. ANd how about the mexicans who are the ones driving population growth in the US.
As to the mighty US military power, well look at the last two countries they tried to control (Granada does not count!). An army with a disproportionate number of mexican and other hispanics. The country cannot stomach too many deaths, same as Europe.
The imagery of WWII is very much etched in all Americans' brains, which is fine. The world has moved on, and the faster you understand the new realities the longer the American Empire will last...
Yet another liberal posts: "As to the mighty US military power, well look at the last two countries they tried to control (Granada does not count!). An army with a disproportionate number of mexican and other hispanics. The country cannot stomach too many deaths, same as Europe"
The problem is that the US has not conducted a war. Rather it's a half-assed police/keep the peace action. For starters the US should have gone in an flattened several of their mud hut cities. I wouldn't have put a soldier on the ground, nor would I have wasted money using expensive cruise missles - we should have just wiped them out.
Stephan is the coolest dude ever,
Shame of the American police for behaving like this. I am glad I do not live in the United states of America. Hope to see you soon Stephan!!!!!!!!!
Mr Anonymous,
You are certainly right. You can flatten the whole fucking Middle East. Not the smartest way to secure the oil supply, which should be your aim unless you want to ride bikes all day like Mr Orsak.
My point stands....
The age of mortality has doubled due mostly to medical advancements, not because of any particular mode of transportation. Lucky for you, doctors can keep your lard-clogged arteries pumping longer no matter how you choose to get around.
And funny how so many self-proclaimed "avid cyclists" on here exhibit rather hostile reaction.
There would have been absolutely no problem that I can see if only the police had not harrassed a bicyclist who apparently was breaking no laws (please provide evidence someone if he broke any laws by riding his bicycle where he did.)
Thanks. Those with the big hungamunga motors including the police might remember that bicycles always have the right of way, and generally rights to roadways as well.
It's a little depressing reading so many postings of car-driving people who choose to berate, ignore or belittle the LEGAL rights of bicycles and bicyclists on roadways. That bicycles have the LEGAL right of way over vehicles reflects the Christian values of giving way to the weaker, less powerful traveling the same path. That is not unique or laws, but reflects a general theme.
I would suggest that those motorist posters who wish to have the roads all to themselves and deny any rights to bicyclists to travel our public paths to consider moving to Iran, North Korea or one of those countries that do not put Christian values into laws, and give those who have the power the rights to push everyone else aside.
As some people might read the comments and not the case, I feel I need to come back to the crux of the matter, urge others to do the same,and make some points clear:
1) I had broken no law. Then or now. The statutes are there for all of us to read, and no one has yet been able to show what law I was in
violation of. This is not about 'should have', 'could have', common or uncommon sense. Laws are laws and I was following mine.
2) It was an illegitimate stop, and I was treated rudely as a second
class citizen from the beginning. Which law or policy allows for that?
3) I was stopped for not seeing signs that didn't exist until four
months later.
THIS much alone should be enough to throw out the case. But there is
more:
4) Some seem to think it an established fact that I was told to stop at some point and refused- this is just not true.
5) Officer Wingate's last orders to me would have put me in a dangerous situation. If an officer, having made an unlawful stop, then tells you to do something both illegal and hazardous, are you going to
do it?
6) Officer Wingate's final actions prove that this was clearly no stop
to 'serve and protect', but that its basis was vindictive. If being
thrown on the ground and shot is how concern for my safety is
demonstrated, I'll take my chances with normally friendly MN traffic,
thank you.
7) I was immediately attacked from behind, while leaving, and without
any warning whatsoever. Prior to this, I was not being cited for any
violation, I was not being arrested. Under such circumstances there is no police basis to detain a person further.
8) I explained to them that I was going to leave, that I was going to
follow the safest and most reasonable course of the several told to me, and even wished them a 'good evening', and 'hoping the rest of it goes better than this has gone', and then I started to leave. At no time did I raise my voice or give anything that could be construed as a threatening gesture.
9) To avoid misinterpretation please note- NONE of the (6) charges are for 'fleeing an officer'. What this means is that even the police do not hold that it was wrong for me to leave.
SO it begs the critical question- what justification was there then,
in attacking me?
10) My decisions were not an obstruction of justice, but an upholding of justice. I was simply following the law and in my actions taking a stance for all of our constitutional rights. If one wants an excellent definition of obstruction of justice, it is putting up a smokescreen and pressing charges on a victim just to hide an officer's inappropriate actions.
11) In no way did I ever physically resist arrest. Posters that state
this are simply wrong, and are not stating just what this 'resistance'
was. I did call out for help from passing traffic. That is a constitutional right. There was no physical resistance to arrest
whatsoever.
Perhaps Officer Wingate was mistaken in making the stop. I do not have a problem with that per se. I am happy to stop for anybody to clarify something and have a reasonable conversation. But asking a question should not cause a person to immediately be threatened with mace and taser.
I think a word needs to be put in for Officer Bryant. I want to
clarify that there was a distinct difference between the manner of
Officer Wingate and Officer Bryant. Officer Bryant (who had taken his
oath less than 3 weeks before) had a minor part to play in this, even
though he did follow through on Officer Wingate's order to tase me.
Perhaps he did not consider as a free individual if that were really a reasonable thing to do. Perhaps he felt he had to just 'follow the
order' whatever the rightness or wrongness of it. Or, perhaps he feels that it was completely reasonable and in accord with the force continuum policy. Whatever the case, it can be seen by all that Officer Bryant was made to write the bulk of the narratives, and I will state with all my conviction that I believe he was made to embellish them by orders from others. You will note that Officer Wingate's narrative is only a couple of sentences. It is outrageous for the responsible officer to only have to write two sentences in explanation for such an incident. I have reason to believe that Officer Bryant would make a fine peace officer and may be so now, and in no sense should the overbearing actions of Officer Wingate be blamed upon him. Officer Bryant should be able to stand upon his own record, and not be tainted by the record of another. Fairness is fairness and peace officers deserve it too.
A word also needs to be said re: Mr recent Anonymous, who has now
taken so much bandwidth in diatribe that perhaps it is time to come
out from behind your curtain and introduce yourself properly. We may
disagree, and that is fine, but you need not fear peaceful people.
With best wishes,
Stephan Orsak
Another nonthinker says: "Thanks. Those with the big hungamunga motors including the police might remember that bicycles always have the right of way, and generally rights to roadways as well"
This is incorrect. Bicycles don't have the right of way, atmost they have the same status as any other motor vehichle. But I agree that most of them think they do - and thus obey traffic laws when they feel like it.
Here in Minnesota, and most every other state I know of, nonmotorized traffic is banned from freeways and interstates. The road to the MSP airport is connected to I494 - which is a freeway.
Orsack,
When you go to court you are gonna get your ass handed to you.
It really doesn't matter what the outcome will be. Rather you will have wasted a lot of time and emotion. You sound like a girl. Grow up!
PS. You're the guy who started wasting the bandwidth in the first place.
I thought pedestrians on the road have the highest right of way (even if they are crossing illegally)
Bicyclists must yield to pedestrians in all cases.
Vehicles must yield to bicylists in all cases.
Is this not true? I have never heard that in any state "same status" is given to totally different kinds of vehicles vis-a-vis yields/rights of way.
Let's get back to the issues.
What is "resisting" defined as, according to the law? Is resistance restricted only to physical resistance? Or are other forms of resistance (verbal, etc.) also legally considered to be resistance?
Without a read of the law, this discussion easily becomes blind talking to blind. The legal definition of resistance is crucial in being able to assess the available evidence.
from sharetheroadmn.org:
"4). Bicyclists must obey all traffic control signs and signals, the same as motorists.
Among the most common causes of bicycle-motor vehicle collisions is the failure of bicyclists to yield the right-of-way or to obey a traffic control sign or signal. Bicyclists are obligated to obey the same Minnesota laws that regulate all other vehicles including motor vehicles.
5). Motorists and bicyclists must yield the right-of-way to each other equally."
In America, you don't question the police. If they say stop, then stop. Follow their directions and you'll usually avoid getting beat down. But...you were arrogant and what consequently happened is not suprising.
I don't like the American police and have had several near-incidences with them that could have developed into what you've described. I'm sure you'll comply with their requests next time.
So many anonymous posts!
Internet Tough Guy Syndrome is rampant here.
Time for the tough guys to stop saying "get a job" and return to their work... god forbid they troll on their free time!
/Unimpressed with the Troll-Fu here.
A responsible middle income or wealthy individual will agree to everything that you pointed out in your post. Unfortunally, this is not enough in the new post 9/11/01 United States. I chose my own Brompton to hide it by always bagging it from the view of hostile parties that do not have my best interests at heart. It does not matter who they are, be it bike thief, bike jacker, law enforcement, or any other party. It boils down to the same thing: this is no longer the same country that I (and most others) knew growing up. Please learn to take new and even unusual percautions from now on.
I can understand being frustrated, irritated and angered in dealing with someone who is questioning your authority, especially if you have chosen a profession where your authority is set up as a "given."
And I can understand there being latent fear in dealing with the unknown - I have respect and admiration for those whose chosen profession puts their life on the line when as a matter of course as they deal with new and unknown situations. A bicyclist could conceivably threaten the security of the airport....
But I simply and completely believe that Stephan's behavior in no way posed a threat to the officers involved, or in any way warranted the physical abuse he received.
There was nothing to fear. And a well-trained, self-controlled police officer doesn't begin an interaction with bullying tactics or resort to abusive treatment when frustrated, irritated or angered. Such visceral, "how dare you" responses threaten all of our security.
Is there any legal basis for this opinion? Especially as concerns the charges against Mr Orsak?
"In America, you don't question the police. If they say stop, then stop."
First I've ever heard that this is a LAW!
I may not have been clear in my last posting. What I'm saying is whether there is any LEGAL basis for another poster's statement that... "In America, you don't question the police. If they say stop, then stop."
Since when was it illegal to ask a question of a police officer when you're told to stop IF YOU FIRST STOP as they have asked?
Anonymous wrote:
>You sound like a girl. Grow up!
I have met many girls who are intelligent, strong, and in control of their emotions.
Do you not like girls or something?
You clearly don't like Stephan and compare his behavior to that of "a girl," which is why I ask.
Your commentary in particular doesn't read as being especially mature.
Please stop posting or at the least consider reading and then editing your comments before you post.
That way you won't seem quite as much of a buffoon as you do now.
Thank you.
Stephan,
Thank you for all this. It is thought-provoking, educational, and revealing.
It is difficult for those who were not there to know who is giving exact facts, who is telling the story in a way that is favorable to his own side, and who simply believes his own version and own perceptions.
You are probably familiar with the Kurosawa film that reveals how differently various people can perceive and interpret the same event ('The Rashomon Effect'). Add to that the vested interests of all involved, and there is a lot of potential for distortions, either deliberate or unconscious.
So how can we know?
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Couldn't you simply have said to them, when they first told you that you couldn't ride there, "I didn't know," and complied, and avoided a lot of trouble? If you had wanted to stand up for rights, couldn't you have done more (along other lines) with all this time, money, and energy?
I hope, if you are right here, that something does come out of it. Maybe a letter-writing campaign to those who have authority and influence over the police on the streets? Maybe affect their training and education?
Instead of seeing them as bullies, couldn't you have seen them as overgrown kids who need a little slack and a little understanding? And then have taken it up with their supervisors?
Didn't you, to a large extent, dig this hole for yourself?
Sure, the police could have done better. But why don't you just come out and admit that you could have done better too?
I wanted to add that, if the police are badly distorting or exaggerating, I hope you are able to counter that effect.
Though not always, police often tend to give exaggerated reports. If they are doing it here, I hope you do not end up getting some kind of unfair treatment because of that.
(Maybe their routine exaggerations are worth bringing up in court? Maybe there are confessions of ex-cops somewhere, about this? They definitely tend to do it quite a bit.
Certainly you should be allowed to contest their claims point-by-point?)
On June 17, 2007 10:27:00 PM PDT Anonymous said...
"I may not have been clear in my last posting. What I'm saying is whether there is any LEGAL basis for another poster's statement that... "In America, you don't question the police. If they say stop, then stop.""
Kind of a paraphrase of what I've said, but the important distinction is that I've been trying to say is "don't question the police _then and there_".
If there's questioning to be done do it in _court_ not the STREET.
Steven's report states that he made the decision that the interview was over and "bid the officers good day" and moved to walk away.
That wasn't his decision to make and constituted resisting arrest, IMO of the law, YMMV.
The sensible thing to do after being told not to bike would have been to ask the officers what they wanted him to do instead. If he really thought there was nothing else he wanted to talk about, he could have asked whether he was being detained, told them he had nothing more to say and let them proceed with their process, up to and possibly including, as is their DUTY to decide, arrest.
Then fight it out in court. If his story is as he makes it sound, win a big settlement, disciplinary action against the officers and prevent them from further harassing bikers.
Instead he chose to be verbally combative (the tone doesn't matter) and then physically resistive and blew the chance for all of that.
He let his ego get in the way of sound judgment, a classic symptom of immaturity. He thought he was "special". Other artists have posted and essentially said that he deserves to be treated as special because he's an artist and therefore "important."
Get a grip - I adore musicians because of the beauty that they create. But when you start thinking you're more special than the rest of us who obey police orders, you're being elitist and bigoted. Don't judge what I or anybody else does for the world, you don't know us.
" Since when was it illegal to ask a question of a police officer when you're told to stop IF YOU FIRST STOP as they have asked?"
He stopped and then decided he could leave.
Don't be an egotistical dumbass like him. The hassle of getting taken downtown, getting processed, bailed out, having no charges filed (since as Steven claims, he didn't do anything wrong) and then turning around and suing their pants off is nothing compared to the hassle of being in court with your liberty on the line.
You know, if he had respectfully just said to the cops, "gee, if I can't bike here, then how should I get out?" they might well have GIVEN HIM A RIDE AND TOLD HIM TO HAVE A NICE DAY!!
Dumbasses make their own problems.
Steve's points below:
!Steve! This is great!
Maybe I should get around to registering, too many anonymouses.
On June 16, 2007 9:57:00 PM PDT Stephan Orsak said...
"1) I had broken no law. Then or now. The statutes are there for all of us to read, and no one has yet been able to show what law I was in
violation of. "
Obviously, the cops' opinion at the time differed. Guess who gets to decide the difference? They're called judges.
A reasonable person would have said here, "I didn't think I had broken the law." A dumbass is sure he didn't.
"This is not about 'should have', 'could have', common or uncommon sense. Laws are laws and I was following mine."
EXACTLY! And the cops were trying to tell you the law the rest of us follow, not yours.
"2) It was an illegitimate stop, and I was treated rudely as a second class citizen from the beginning. Which law or policy allows for that?"
Again, your allegations, your certainty illuminates the problem. You weren't treated like a second class citizen, you were treated exactly as any other resister would be. In the beginning for being verbally combative, in the end for taking physical action to resist (turning away).
"3) I was stopped for not seeing signs that didn't exist until four
months later. THIS much alone should be enough to throw out the case."
You're making legal decisions and your qualifications are being a musician? That's a little self-assuming. Cases get thrown out in court, not the street.
"4) Some seem to think it an established fact that I was told to stop at some point and refused- this is just not true."
Please read up on police practice and a citizens responsibilities. There are lots of lay references available.
You were in what's called a field investigation, which they have the long established right to conduct, within reasonable limits (again, guess who defines "reasonable"). At some point, the situation (your turning away) led them to escalate the situation to an arrest. They're under no duty to discuss anything further with you until they have you controlled, ie in cuffs. You think they should give someone who might have a gun in his pants warning? They don't know what you're capable of, just that you're not cooperating.
"5) Officer Wingate's last orders to me would have put me in a dangerous situation. If an officer, having made an unlawful stop, then tells you to do something both illegal and hazardous, are you going to do it?"
You could have tried something reasonable, like using your words, to say, "I'm trying to comply, but I'm confused and think what you're asking is dangerous."
"6) Officer Wingate's final actions prove that this was clearly no stop
to 'serve and protect', but that its basis was vindictive. If being
thrown on the ground and shot is how concern for my safety is demonstrated..."
Your actions caused them to reclassify you from one of those whom they serve and protect to one of those they need to protect the rest of us from. That is not vindictive, that is they're job. Getting put down is how they demonstrate their concern for their safety, which I value more than yours, based on your description of your actions.
Also, use your words more carefully. You were not shot. You're lucky they have tasers as an option, otherwise they might have hurt you worse than they did (right or wrong).
"7) I was immediately attacked from behind, while leaving, and without
any warning whatsoever. Prior to this, I was not being cited for any
violation, I was not being arrested."
You ACTUALLY THINK THE COPS OWE YOU A WARNING OR A FAIR FIGHT?
Once they decided your were in violation for trying to walk away from them, they HAVE to take you and they DON'T have to give you any chance to hurt them. You may think you're a gentle cherub, but your turning away from them demonstrated your intent to defy their legitimate police powers. Maybe previously you really HADN'T done anything wrong, your act made that irrelevant.
"Under such circumstances there is no police basis to detain a person further."
Wonder how the judge and/or jury is going to think about that opinion. Again, you're absolutely convinced you can determine police "basis."
"8) [snip more self-serving egotistical blather]
"and then I started to leave. At no time did I raise my voice or give anything that could be construed as a threatening gesture."
That's an admission of resisting. Your voice means nothing and your gesture was to turn and defy them. Only a dumbass would think it's up to him do decide when the police are through with him.
"9) To avoid misinterpretation please note- NONE of the (6) charges are for 'fleeing an officer'. What this means is that even the police do not hold that it was wrong for me to leave."
Maybe they decided they can teach you enough of a lesson without filing every charge they could possibly think of. If so, I think it's a mistake 'cuz I'm guessing you learn lessons about as well as Paris Hilton.
"SO it begs the critical question- what justification was there then,
in attacking me?"
Narcissistic whining. They exercised their police powers, they didn't attack you. Can you see the moral difference? Probably not.
If they "attacked", then they'll end up sanctioned and I'll eat my hat.
"10) My decisions were not an obstruction of justice, but an upholding of justice. I was simply following the law and in my actions taking a stance for all of our constitutional rights......"
Blah de effin' blah. When I need help with my rights as a cyclist, I need you like I need a hole in my head.
"If one wants an excellent definition of obstruction of justice, it is putting up a smokescreen and pressing charges on a victim just to hide an officer's inappropriate actions."
No matter how many times you tell yourself that, it won't affect the court decision.
"11) In no way did I ever physically resist arrest. Posters that state this are simply wrong, and are not stating just what this 'resistance' was."
Turning away, as you state, is a physical action. You attempted to leave a field stop before the cops had decided it was over.
"I did call out for help from passing traffic. That is a constitutional right. There was no physical resistance to arrest whatsoever."
Have they added disturbing the peace? They should, being silly enough to think you're in a situation where you need to call the police on the police and creating the resulting scene surely fits the bill. You appear pretty ignorant about first amendment law as well as police procedure.
"Perhaps Officer Wingate was mistaken in making the stop. I do not have a problem with that per se. I am happy to stop for anybody to clarify something and have a reasonable conversation."
What you did was take it upon yourself to "clarify" to the police what they could or couldn't do. Jeebus.
"But asking a question should not cause a person to immediately be threatened with mace and taser."
That's an extremely silly mistatement of your own report.
[more snip]
"A word also needs to be said re: Mr recent Anonymous, who has now
taken so much bandwidth in diatribe that perhaps it is time to come
out from behind your curtain and introduce yourself properly. We may
disagree, and that is fine, but you need not fear peaceful people."
That would be me, I presume. There are a lot of other anonymi here, so I can't really go back and put a stamp on all of mine.
I din't click the anonymous button out of fear, and truly don't mean to instill any. Sorry about the "dumbasses" above, but diatribe mode is still on. I'll probably feel better tomorrow.
I will say that I started with a few comments and have escalated to the diatribe mode because I came here because I am a lifelong cyclist and concerned with cyclists rights. I've seen one or two hints of common sense but the majority has been maddeningly self-delusional. People that think the cops are out to get them because they're "different". It's appalling and it's self-destructive for their own personalities and for cycling rights in general.
I'll point out that I took up some bandwidth bashing rabid anti-bikers like "old man mcmillan" as one called him.
After resorting to some inflammatory language above, I'll go ahead and call myself an egotistical old coot. The point that _I'm_ so self-certain about is that the naivete I've seen here and my fear that not seeing the problem with this is going to get others into situations as bad or worse than yours. Thank god you didn't try to explain your correctness to some motorist who had cut you off. You could have had tire prints on you instead of taser marks, and so could anybody else who doesn't see the personal advantage of acting meekly when it's called for. Say yes to the nice officer and pray that the guy in the truck isn't deranged. This is 30 years of wisdom from the road, folks.
You ask for proper introductions. I've never posted on a blog before (honest, I said I'm an old coot). What would one consider proper in such a forum? I used anonymous because I don't see any difference between that and a meaningless screen name.
You want an email? I'll post one. Don't see that it makes much difference for the discussion, and as I said I was trying to talk to people other than you, too.
I'll put a tag on this, if it means anything, but anybody could fake it later.
Signed: madcityracercoot
Stephan,
MadCityRacerCoot has it right.
What I learned from this blog, is how many people are completely ignorant about common things in life.
From people who say "bicycles have the right-of-way over cars", to you Stephan who thinks he can hold court at the side of the road (and make himself the judge).
A police officer generally needs a reason to pull someone over (there is the old English law of common inquiry, that it's reasonable to ask "Who are you, and where are you going?"). Once he decides to inquire - you need to cooperate with the officer.
As many of other poster has said, make life easy for yourself, you should have said to the officer: "I'm sorry, I didn't know that you couldn't ride a bike here. I'll fold up my bike, and could you please take me back to the terminal so I can get a cab."
He wouldn't have been able to refuse you. THEN the next day you could have started an inquiry wether or not the officer was correct.
Think about this, post 9/11, if you are riding a bike, maybe you could use it to sneak in a unauthorized area?
They are going to laugh at you in court!
I admit the way you were treated sucked. But if you'd have just STFU and said "yes, officer. no officer" they'd have left and you could have hopped back on your bike and gone on your merry way. Were the cops wrong? Undoubtably. What do you do with "wrong" people? You avoid them.
I have two brother's-in-law who are police officers in Minnesota. To you I say - Sue their asses off! This kind of crap should NEVER happen. Sounds like police brutality. Let's go to videotape!!! This is not how things happen in Minnesota. Also I think you are totally right about being able to bike to and from the airport. The Mall of America is busy but you can bike there, too. If they were looking for a missing person they should not have wasted their time stopping you. What a bunch of dummies.
An update on my comment...it will be best to pass judgment when all the facts of the case and any video come out. That said, the people who are ripping on Stephan for resisting arrest must realize that there is a difference between stopping someone from riding away on a bicycle and throwing them to the ground, tasing them, and crushing their glasses. Especially a 140 pound man. Police offers have the right to retain someone for questioning but not the right to beat them up. Stephan should not have ridden away like he did, but if true, the conflicting information and rude behavior of the police officers was what probably made him behave the way he did. Also, if they acted really pised when they said that they wanted him to leave, it very well may be that he thought the best thing he could do was to say that he would follow their orders and be safe. If what he said is true...then what the cops did was complete inappropriate, in my opinion. Also, I have seen people resisting arrest and the police officer in question gave many verbal warnings that he was going to mace the person before he complied. What happened to Stephen seemed like the cops were picking on a 98 pound weakling, and I cannot abide that shit.
All that said, I must admit that some professional musicians I have met are assholes.
Good luck to you Stephen. I hope someone has the tape and you can post it.
this abuse of power is disgusting
In reading both sides of this it seems clear the the officers overstepped their bounds and are performing a classic coverup to save face. I find it likely that Stephan was considerably ruder and ore belligerent than he states on "his side" of the story, which gives the officers some justification. However they clearly overstepped their bounds by tazering him, which I suspect is listed in the police procedures as a last resort for extremely violent people. it is also clear that they simply ignored the legal sign postings that permitted him to ride and decided on their own that he was being unsafe. Such a decision is within the officers realm, however even their own testimony is contradictory (yelled 4 times to stop and then caught and tackled a bicycle from the rear!) and quite obviously a blurring of the events to save face. These officers should be severely reprimanded and ordered to take some kind of "people are innocent until proven guilty" course. Unfortunately as ordinary citizens we have no ability to make it happen and must hope that the Internal Affairs team will take note.
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